Thanks Xee2,

I'll take any info that anyone want's to provide, I am an electronic tinkerer, not a guru or a master and I have probably forgotten more then I will ever know again. Reminders and/or new information are always welcomed. I have used a pair of silver mica caps in this experiment, but I only had two and their the ones that blew out. I'll get some more one of these days, but I doubt I'll be able to recreate the experiment the exact same way.

I'm good at typing, but very bad for not writing things down. You know what I mean? I have also played around with making my own caps, albeit with varied results. However, beer bottles work well for dielectric purposes and their a lot of fun to acquire... Yeah, I really like the beer capacitor.

@Dllabarre

I don't remember the patent being quite so specific. But it has been well over a year since I have read it, so that's plenty of time to forget. Are you running this experiment? If so, then with better or worse results?

I don't recall Tesla mentioning this system can do what I'm trying to do with it, but Moray did. The secret to Tesla's electric car and ball lightning, as well as Moray's 500+ watts must lie somewhere in this simple experiment. Or at least that is what I have deduced, which does not make it fact at all, but to me, it just makes sense. I have followed the recipe/patent to the best of my ability. That is why I am using old age technology as much as possible. But learning 100 different ways to fail is more educational and brings greater understanding when you find the one way to succeed.

So I'm trying everything I can think of to learn in the process. Like I mentioned before, even when you get this system wrong, it still provides real usable power and can do real work. So even a failure is a success.

I am certainly open to any ideas or suggestions that anyone might have, so let know your thoughts and we'll go from there.

Thanks,

t3t4

@ t3t4

Quote from: t3t4 on August 24, 2009, 02:07:04 PM
I have used a pair of silver mica caps in this experiment, but I only had two and their the ones that blew out.

They will take 500 volts, so they must have been out in a thunderstorm. Eventually you may want to put a surge protection diode around your circuit for protection in storms.

But that is not why I am writing. You showed the capacitors connected to the antenna in your diagram. I would have put the capacitors to ground. Have you found it works better when the capacitors are connected to the antenna?

That might be what I was doing wrong.

@t3t4

I assume you're regarding patent 685,957....
When referring to the condenser (capacitor's were called condensers back then) N.Tesla states: "I use, by preference, the best quality mica as dielectric".
Being that mica capacitors are easy to obtain these days I feel they should be used in following the patent.

Just MHO...  no offense to anyone.

DonL

Quote from: t3t4 on August 23, 2009, 11:56:40 PM

@jeanna

Are you charging batteries already?

If so, that's awesome! But no need to thank me, thank Tesla.

Yup.
And I will thank you. I have already thanked Tesla for other things.
I was not able to get this to work any other time.
So, thank you.

I used 2, 47uF can electrolytic caps. I got a bunch of caps once to satisfy a minimum order. I have been able to use most of them. So, I used these because they are rated for 100v

I also have some cameras that have the foil cap, but I prefer knowing the part so I can repeat my results. (I have a hard time repeating even my results because the urge to tweak is very great in me! )

QuoteAnyway, have fun and do please keep me updated.

Oh yes, I nearly forgot.
I grabbed a 2 AAA battery holder and used it as is, so I put 2 AAA in it.

One battery had
1169v
and the other had 939-940v
at the start.

I checked in 15 minutes, and found an increase had already begun.
The high one as expected had not changed, but the 940v was now at
948v

After the sun was down it really slowed down a lot!! Much more than I had expected from other people's comments.
At 8:21PM the 2 batteries showed:
1169v (still unchanged) and
960v --- so this had increased by 20mv in 2 hours.

I got up really late today and the sun had been on the al plate for 2 hours at least.
1177v (so it did change by 8mv) and
990v -- up 30mv since 8:20PM

then at 12:30

1179v
and
1003v

So, this is a total of 10mv in the one and
64mv in the other = 74mv in 16 hours

This is very cool.
It may be the only way I can light a led from the earth source.

Now,
What inductors and where?
Tell me about the inductors, please?

jeanna

If you literally turn this circuit up side down, you lose the bulk of your potential. It's the earth and the ionosphere that are the positive and negative of this device. But the bulk of the energy seems to come from the sky, not from ground. Since this circuit basically does nothing more then capture energy, all you want to do is capture as much as possible. Voltage is energy, and the further away from the surface of the earth you go, the more voltage you get. So in this circuit, we're using the voltage as energy to be collected, but we're using the capacitors as a storage bank for the current.

Current is what does the real work, the voltage just looks cool on a meter, but otherwise does nothing. So, if I am correct here in my theory, by turning this circuit up side down, you cut it's capacity in half. Anyway, I have tried this and it didn't do well at all. I have tried probably 1000 different combination's thus far, some work and most don't. In the Tesla Radiant energy patent, he shows in pictorial form, a plate leading to a capacitor, then leading to ground. It does not show how to capture the energy within the capacitor aside from a spark gap which is still a crude capacitor. So I have to wonder sometimes.... But he loved to use spark gaps which is something I do not currently use.

I know from experience now, what the earth giveth, it takes away! Unless you can capture it somehow. This little circuit does well, very well in fact, because it stores and/or pulls energy from both sides of the magnetic field. This circuit provides a conduit for an electron flow in two directions, and it captures electrons in the process. But it is nowhere near the solution as to how we can all live from this energy. This circuit is only one way of doing it, and if you charge enough batteries, then I guess you could live off this system. It's just an easily repeatable experiment that actually works every time.

But anyway, thanks for thinking about this. Your question made me think about how this all works again, and that's a very needed thing. Sometimes I get so stuck on just one part that I lose sight of the rest.

Also, keep in mind the difference between polar and non-polar caps, I'm sure you are quite aware of this. But what I am not sure of is if they are helpful or hurtful, but it's a theory I am currently exploring. A polar cap is resistive to electrons in one direction but conductive in the other. Could a polarized cap also serve as a diode? I don't know, but it's a thought I'm working on.

Anyway, keep the ideas coming, run this experiment cheaply and have fun with it. I've been having a great deal of fun with all this and now that I seem to have a think tank on my side, maybe we can make some real progress aside from simply charging batteries.

Thanks again,
t3t4