more random thoughts:

1 - Stubblefield had, more or less, vertical placement of his batteries.
2 - The battery's primary coil probably induced a N-S polarity onto the iron core.
3 - So if you were collecting energy with this coil, I would assume that the energy would want to attract thus a specific polarity in core / primary winding direction?
4 - What if secondary coil was operated in a fashion as to have an opposite iron core polarity?

here is what i am trying to grasp:
use a weak coil to push against naturally occurring earth magnetics. it will be a weak push.

meanwhile, earth says no way to this and pushes back in an effort to re-establish equilibrium. it pushes back harder. at this time we have a much stronger coil ready and waiting to recieve this push back.

it's like throwing a stone into water, the water will want to re-equilibrate and fill the temporary void created by the stone. so in effect, our little magnetic games are being played in 'an ocean' of energy. this energy ocean will want to equilibrate if disturbed. we just need to disturb it enough....

oscillation (make break) obviously needed and vaguely discussed in the NS patent. I can vaguely see/understand this system getting stronger with time until enough earth force redirected-directionally retrained to the problem area cause by pesky humans... I can also vaguely see/understand that depending on strength of pesky human device, large distances of reacting earth force may ultimately be involved. Wave machines (water) are interesting to me in these ways. electrical condensors are also interesting to me in these ways.

well, these are my wild thoughts for the day..... I'm sorry to diverge into abstracts lately but I cannot seem to get past physical properties / limitations of straight up induction coils. There are too many laws, equations, etc... that confine them. So in the case of Stubblefield, there has to be an external force involved here. I think once we understand this better, we should understand the coil constructions needed to start useful interactions.

jeanna, would any of your scope/other observations come into play here? you seem to be taking a look at earth aspects....

Thanks protonmom.
That link is easy to download
I am missing a whole lot of the pictures...Not all but kinda strange.

MW383,
I do not want to add too much because I really like your wild ideas.
I do however, want to remind you that whoever has written about the stubblefield coil/generator has not been able to reproduce it either.

To my knowledge, I have, to date--as seen here, achieved the highest readings from some of my NS coils... and they are in the millivolts.

Some guy named thrapp claims to have it but he won't tell you unless you pay a donation to his religion.
hmm... this approach let alone this use of religion is very contrary to my way, so forget it.

Please carry on.
I will jump in if you are doing something I did that was a dead end.
I might have a pic of a scope shot that shows the sea of energy we are tapping into, cuz I am not sure you have seen that.

jeanna

EDIT ADD
I located 2 pages which are good places to begin to read.
It will give an efficient catch up for some of the elements.

This is from Bill's thread first page:
I posted a couple of pics there and gave the details.
I continued to post there and gave more info...( But my research leading up to it is found on this thread.)

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4455.0


This is  from this thread but it is around the time I left it.
If you go up a little you will see my last posts before moving over which were charts of data and a lot of information I gathered to answer some of the same questions you are asking.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.1800

j

Quote from: jeanna on October 13, 2009, 03:47:13 PM
I do however, want to remind you that whoever has written about the stubblefield coil/generator has not been able to reproduce it either.

exactly, i am basically giving Stubblefield the benefit of the doubt here and assuming the patent office at the time was on the up and up. (patent office a debatable entity now adays in my opinion). third party accounts of this battery (some of which were family) also keep me interested.

Quote from: jeanna on October 13, 2009, 03:47:13 PM
To my knowledge, I have, to date--as seen here, achieved the highest readings from some of my NS coils... and they are in the millivolts.

I believe it. my own little contraption is definitely confined to its construction and electrochemistry. hence my temporary abandonment of this design aspect.

Quote from: jeanna on October 13, 2009, 03:47:13 PM
Some guy named thrapp claims to have it but he won't tell you unless you pay a donation to his religion.
hmm... this approach let alone this use of religion is very contrary to my way, so forget it.

agree. let's figure it out ourselves, give it away for free, and see how thrappy like this.


Thanks for the links. the coils you make look real nice!

I have contacted several wire manufacturers in regards to getting copper wire with water permeable cloth insulation. I will let you know if anything pans out of it. I did this because I have become frustrated in keeping things insulated. The method I first proposed is ok but only with thin materials. Even then it is not optimal. maybe I am too picky but I too like neat constructions. The faulty coil episode was definitely a short but not a direct one or consistant one. So who knows, maybe this new wire expedition will pan out.

my biggest question now is if we opposed the earth's magnetics, will we get a response. I am trying to think of an easy way to try this out.

MW383
If you check on Ebay, you can find vintage cloth covered wire.  But be careful, as there is at least one seller who tries to sell it by the foot.  Get the whole vintage spool!  I am not sure if the one I looked at is still going or not, as I have been too busy to check, but it might be.  And if not, there is always someone else with that stuff.
I think the best thing any of us can do is to make several versions of the NS coil and compare our own results...and then compare to each other's results.   
Make a coil as per patent, and then make one as per MW383, and put them both in the ground.  And then watch to see what happens.  And if you want to make the probes, do that also.  I don't know where you live, but winter is almost upon us, so we had better start digging the holes now before the ground gets too hard to work.

Jeanna,
Did you download the pdf file?  I did, and then I printed off the pages I wanted.  All my pictures came out fine.  Amazingly, it did not even take too long to download...even with dial up.