Quote from: happyfunball on January 04, 2010, 12:36:37 AM
Climate change IN A VERY RAPID TIME FRAME has NOT always been.

Tell that to the snap frozen wooly mammoths.

Cheers

Quote from: happyfunball on January 04, 2010, 04:53:25 AM
@blueplanet, I believe the ozone hole has more to do with letting in ultraviolet radiation. CO2 traps the heat

Yes, but that is already known. What is little mentioned is the fact that, in the evening time, the black-body radiation on earth can escape to outer space through the ozone hole (or the depleted ozone layer).

On moon, the temperature swing between night and day is in excess of a few hundred degrees, simply because it does not have an ozone layer to stablizes its temperature.

Quote from: hoptoad on January 04, 2010, 07:12:34 AM
Tell that to the snap frozen wooly mammoths.

Cheers

Right, genius. We know of one rapid cooling period (Little Ice Age) and not much else. Certainly none involving an Industrial Revolution.

'Cheers.'

I'm open to data showing CAUSE. But frankly, the EFFECT is there and really can't be seriously denied. And that is the point being DELIBERATELY swamped by all the back-and-forth B-S about "cause".

Regarding "past cooling periods". From water steps, breakwaters, stone jetty's, etc... We know the ocean levels from about 4,000 years or longer: there have been NO significant raising or lowering of sea levels in that period. We also know the positions of the Alps glaciers from these times; and the South American and North American glaciers for several hundred years. These are basic empirical proofs; not B-S from Viking Sagas of them partying in a sunny climate (which, imo, was essentially the first recorded instance of Real Estate Developers lying through their teeth to get more business lol). Even if these things were "true", it is about changes in the path of the Gulf Stream (which is of  supreme importance to the climate of the U.K.), not a global climate change like we see now (..otherwise there would have been significant melts and higher sea levels, or the reverse for that matter should a "mini ice age" have been world-wide). 

This whole thing is not about science, it has deliberately been made to be about politics... And is being pushed FROM BOTH SIDES to be a divisive, polarizing issue to insure NOTHING of significance ever gets done about it... So we go on using fossil fuels, with the trillions in easy profits and the monopoly control this brings them, for as long as they can get away with it.   

Think about this:

Al Gore, a guy who was automatically disliked by 50% of the US pop from the get-go; was exactly the WRONG choice to be the prime spokesman for the "pro" side. It insured this issue would become about politics and not about science. Does anyone here really think that a guy gets to be Vice President of the United States, or a major Party's Candidate in the Presidential Election, without being hand-chosen by the elite?? If you do, i've got some nice beach front property in Greenland you may be interested in buying   His  becoming "chief spokesman" for the "pro side was simply done by using the corporate-owned mainstream media to SAY he was the "leader".

Cap-In-Trade: Does anyone really think any big corporations will have to pay a dime in new taxes over this?? If it ever happens (unlikely), it will only be ANOTHER energy tax on the people and small business, another way to fleece us out of our money, so they can go on selling fossil fuels for as long as they can, continue to maintain the monopolies.

People say that Global Warming is a scam.. But they don't realize how right they are (..and that they are being manipulated too). Yes, It IS a scam, that allows polarization and division to keep us apart, so they don't have to worry about us coming after THEM; because we are too busy fighting each other. "Ron Paul Revolution" folks, Libertarians, "truthers" of all types, and the Progressive Left who distrust Obama (and that is MOST of them now) BOTH WANT the same things! We want a better world for our children and grandchildren, we want civil liberties and Constitutional law, and we want a nation we can be proud of again.

Our enemies had a meeting, and decided the best way to keep us all from forming a new Coalition for maintaining the Constitution, for restoration of the Rule of Law, for eliminating the incredible power of the corporate lobby's and taking back our government and media from their control... was to keep us divided over "climate change".

And so far it has worked perfectly.

Quote from: blueplanet on January 04, 2010, 08:25:50 AM
Yes, but that is already known. What is little mentioned is the fact that, in the evening time, the black-body radiation on earth can escape to outer space through the ozone hole (or the depleted ozone layer).

On moon, the temperature swing between night and day is in excess of a few hundred degrees, simply because it does not have an ozone layer to stablizes its temperature.

Interesting