Quote from: Mk1 on May 18, 2010, 05:52:05 PM

Also i had a look at the 2 photo you posted , they are not the same ?
   

Well,
That is the question.
One is from the patent and
the other one (on the right side) is from the picture that was just posted this morning...

I reversed it
turned it upside down, and
Changed the lighting and contrast.

After I did those 3 things, I want to say they are the same picture.

jeanna

@Jeanna

I have highlighted some interesting parts of the drawing , to me it looks like the same person made the drawing by hand the read switch seem different from each other .

To me it looks more like a missing page from the patent or an other patent that was denied ...

And also  Sivowitch, Elliot N was said to have worked out the detail in 1970

Sivowitch, Elliot N., A Technological Survey of Broadcasting's 'Pre-History,' 1876-1920., Journal of Broadcasting, Winter 1970-1971


Edit , i believe it was made by hand because how dirty the paper is the only explanation is the extensive use of a drawing tool  moving often on the paper surface .

Also look at how thick the shadow is around the coil , yes it could be digitally removed but not the thickness between the bold and coil .

Quote from: Mk1 on May 18, 2010, 08:13:32 PM
@Jeanna

I have highlighted some interesting parts of the drawing , to me it looks like the same person made the drawing by hand the read switch seem different from each other .

To me it looks more like a missing page from the patent or an other patent that was denied ...

And also  Sivowitch, Elliot N was said to have worked out the detail in 1970

Sivowitch, Elliot N., A Technological Survey of Broadcasting's 'Pre-History,' 1876-1920., Journal of Broadcasting, Winter 1970-1971


Edit , i believe it was made by hand because how dirty the paper is the only explanation is the extensive use of a drawing tool  moving often on the paper surface .

Also look at how thick the shadow is around the coil , yes it could be digitally removed but not the thickness between the bold and coil .

I agree that both of these are the problem spots.

The large group of bifilar wires covering the inner details of the coil is exactly one of the points I was making.
someone has added enough rows of wire to cover those details.

The thickness is what I meant by the shadow.

It is easily removed digitally, by the eraser tool.
A quick marquee around the dark square hit return and anything inside is removed.
It is easily replaced by the rubber stamp tool also.

If you enlarge things like this to 400 % this becomes very easy.
The other tool that is used to make random smudges is the rubber stamp tool.
Notice how light and bright it became when I added brightness and contrast.
It would be easy to reverse this process by darkening and making less contrast.
It was looking for signs of this that allowed me to spot the stray line to number 2.

I am only good at the eraser and stamp tool.
I fixed the lace on my mother's wedding dress (photo covered with mold) when I made a dvd of the family photo albums and I learned a lot of nuance with both of those tools.
I am sure much more can be done by someone who uses photoshop for more than personal reasons.

However, I would love to see the missing pages to the patent request.
It was specifically the reference to being a magnetic coil that was forbidden by the patent officer.



ALL that said, it IS possible that it went the other way and this is the missing description of how to hook it up.
This picture could have been made from a template picture and then the patent picture could have used this with additional numbers etc.

This would be in an instruction book along with an actual coil.
There is an instruction for connecting the device somewhere.
It is interesting that we have not been able to find it, and perhaps this is what this is.

Do you have more than Elliot Sivowitch's name?
Do you have that book?

jeanna

I was just looking for the brochure and came across this pic.

It never made any sense because there was never any wire coming out from the curved ball top of the bolt.
In today's pic there is a wire from that bolt top from each of the coils and one is labeled pos and the other neg.

This is now an interesting drawing.

jeanna

And this part of the brochure where it is called an electro magnet.
This is where the joule thief connection is hinted.
and this is what was not allowed.