The part no one talks about is what the change in mass does to the space around it.

Sorry sparks but that was pure disinfo. regarding Meyer. I am one of the few people that have photos of Meyers circuit boards and there is nothing you stated that agrees with his circuit boards, photos, his notes or for that matter anything that Puharich stated.

I also have high res photos of his alternator board. Your comment was pure disinfo.

   I was referring to a patent of his where he was using ultraviolet light diodes to ionize air.  I have absolutely no idea what he was doing electronically to do this in his voltage intensifier circuits.  But as I noted you need to transmit two frequencys to ionize the oxygen and the nitrogen.  You also need to control magnetiic fields throughout the ionizing chamber to deaccelerate the electrons in order to create more uv light.  I have not studied Myers extensively but what he was trying to achieve was a kit that could be supplied that would modify existing vehicles.  Alot of the stuff he did like messing with the alternator output waveform and frequency was I believe efforts to this end.  He stated that the primed fluid was mixed with an inert gas and supplied to the expansion chamber.  I believe his primed fluid was air undergoing selfpowered ionization.  When the inert gas mixed with the ionizing air it absorbed the radiation and amounted into thermal expansion of the inert gas.  He may have had some hydrolosis going on but he stated that the hydrogen produced was a byproduct and could be used later in the process for thermally driven reactions.  It is just my take on this process.   The water could have been used as an attention grabber and missinformation on his part.  I really dont know but I do know that any claims to resonance as being overunity is bullshit.  Resonance is only a form of energy storage.  Mass to energy is the real deal.  Proven over and over again.  The problem is that disinformation is spread by the powers that be as to what mass scources you can use to do this.  An atom has a definite mass with the electrons included.  Then when the electrons are gone its mass is altered.  I dont give a shit if it emits alpha beta gamma quarks leptons neutrinos gluons etc etc.  you alter the mass of that atom it will proceed as Einstein and others predictied.

  @Sigma

  If mass warps spacetime to create gravity effects altering this mass would appear to alter gravity effects.  So instead of the Earth falling down in a dimple in the spacetime continoum grid  created by the mass of the Sun a considerable loss of mass from the sun all of a sudden might cause the Earth to start falling out a relative pimple in the spacetime continoum.  Surfing a gravity wave of sorts.

Quote from: sparks on September 13, 2010, 12:07:22 AM
I really dont know but I do know that any claims to resonance as being overunity is bullshit.

Agreed  - resonance is not OU but then I don't know anyone but the mouth breather brigade that has made that claim.

Resonance is known in chemistry as mesomeric effect and is how you get the electron bouncing to its highest orbit and thus has its weakest connection to the atom. Then the laser light comes along and knocks that electron away from the atom.

If you look at the absorpsion bands of oxygen, you see the strongest one at 752nm which would have been the "red" LED laser wavelength that Meyer was using. He didn't care about nitrogen as that is cast off and the OZONE  or O3 is what is then mixed in an ultrasonic resonant chamber to bond the O3 to the H2O to form H2O2.

I have spelled this out before in clear detail. Meyer's notes are filled with it and Puharich, who was doing the same thing and also gave away a great deal of info.

Ultrasonic energy combines things together unless there is a force pulling them apart such as voltage or electrostatic potential.

Meyer locked up all the hydrogen production processes and unless you spell out which process, people get confused and argue. His final process is the one I just spelled out.

He slowly moved the components in miniature form into the injector. His first injector used silver as a catalyst to flash the H2O2 into superheated steam which for a tiny moment breaks the hydrogen bond to produce HHO.

That last part of the process is what causes a superheated steam explosion in a boiler. You don't have the silver acting as a catalyst but the H2O molecule goes from great pressure and temp to low pressure and temp in a split second and this creates a cavitation at the molecule slams together. Then when it expands back out from that split second compressed state, the bond is momentarily broken. A spark or the static produced will ignite the water.

Stan Meyer made rocket fuel and that is why he needed an aluminum engine. Hydrogen peroxide is best stored in aluminum containers as the oxygen layer that bonds to aluminum keeps the aluminum from corroding and contaminating the H2O2 making it unstable.

H2O2 would be too corrosive to use in a steel engine.