@energia9 The motor that you have shown in the picture seems to be the typical motor that drives the CD-ROM .. It is not brushless, just completely disassemble the rotor from the stator, and watch the shaft in the opposite direction from what you have shown in the picture

@all Thank you all for contributing to this "mission" with both theories and practical solutions!
It has given me alot!

Here is my contribution to the ou-quest!
10mm ferrite cores, 20 mm long "coilingspace", 7 strand litz homemade of 0.15 wire coiled directly on the cores, 20 meter on each bobbin, about 430 turns. Will give me about 2.9 ohm pr coil.

The 8 magnets on rotor is 20x10mm, rotor  and statorplates made of 8mm acrylic(might be a little thin.)But the centre is reinforced. Rotorplate is 250 mm in diameter.

10 mm brass shaft with regular steel skf 6000(26x10x8) bearings, cleaned and "lubed" with graphite powder.
Romero drive circuit, had mje2955 transistors,but they got to hot so I swapped them out with a couple of mjl21193 as that was what I had. Spins at about 1200 rpm at 12 volts. 0,5 amp. 1 coil attraction 1 repulsion.
Got a dc-dc converter from ebay.
47000 cap.
Homemade FWBR with paralelled 4005 regular diodes.
Put on 5 coil sets so far, (after the pictures where taken) fiddeling around with a scope and biasingmagnets and are getting very interesting images on the scope.
Was able to reproduce R's waweform exactly, but there was not very much volt there so I just kept on trying and hit mr lenz every time i tried to put a load on it.
This was ofcource before Mr Bolt here, told us the steps to tune this thing, and I now think I have a pretty good idea of how to achieve what we are looking for. Thanks Bolt!
Only concern now is that I am at work and will be away from home for 1 more week 

Anything else??
Yeah... alot of work... this is not a build for the faint hearted!! 
But it is fun!
Best regards from Norway
erikbuch

Quote from: energia9 on June 17, 2011, 12:24:32 PM
i thought its time to post this, i did a simple experiment last year and i redid the experiment,  so here it is:

1. i connected a 9v battery toa small dc motor
2. I put a magnet on a sweet spot on a dc motor, then i saw speed up
3. i put another magnet and i saw an even increase in speed,  3rd magnet will not work, so for three stators= 2 magnets
4. I glued two dc motors shaft together
5. i put magnets on the output dc motor
6. The output was 3 times as big as without magnets,   note there are no magnets on the input motor

i think this mystery has just been solved .

if you increase the mag field to the 'generator' o/p motor by adding larger Neos outside the regular ones inside the case, wouldn't you expect the same coils to generate more o/p anyway?  of course, you'd also expect the 'lugging' to increase

are you saying that the o/p increases but the lugging doesn't?

thanks
np


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Ben has great ideas great looking machine looks great keep going and dont stop

Ron -its not watts I reported, but it is ammeter "crowbarring" across those 5 coils hooked in series shoritng them all out and motor doesnt go up in draw while it most certainly would and did, if that AC cap in series was NOT on AC leg of FWBR.
that was all I was trying to show.

AC leg series cap in place makes same voltage into cap, as no AC leg.
how fast cap fills up however is dependent on AC leg cap uf value.
27VDC is what you get into DC cap after rectifying if you want to know from those 5 coils in series.

WATTS would be DETERMINED by the resistive load that the cap dumps into wiht the "two stage" output circuit.....and WATTS would be MEASURED in the dump into the resistive load from the caps from this cap-discharge formula:

farads of cap / 2 multiplied by:
high voltage of cap before discharge squared
minus the lower voltage of cap after discharge squared
multiplied by rate of discharges per second

(Ronald from Germanys formula)

Generally, as you know if you get say 10 amps in meter with ammeter shortingout coils (voltage now near zero)

and then measure voltage, say 20V  from that coil into cap, with no resistance (maximum voltage)

to get a quick idea of what you are going to get with resistive loading, generarlly, your voltage will drop bu 1/2 and your current will drop by one half (depends on resistive load) so with 10A max and 20V max "plan" on 50watts

so if I get 500ma and 27V, then I can "plan" on having say250ma and 13V after a resistive load, so its really around 4 or 5 watts using measurements of "lump resistive" load or so to expect from that string of 5 out of phase  coils...(most probably not best way to do it having coils inseries outpu of phase  but I am looking into it is all)...so wtih all 9 coils say around 9W ouput approx from 4W or so jsut estiamating....this wi with all coils in sereis which is really stupid way to do it -and also no helper magnets...probalby lots more if I did it correct and rectify each coi individual...if Ishorted coils into cap lots lots more...

Of course the whole ball game with these rotating genrator is to not have the rotor slow when you take out power and if that doesnt happen this is all good eh and HOW much power/watts is being taken out is subject to different measurements eh...

also the lump resistive load way to meausre is way different than the cap discharge way in two stage process with rotating genrator, so whenever your rotor slows, and output in watts goes way down as you know.
If rotor doesnt slow, or even speeds up and draw goes down you also get way more output....so that (in my feeble opinon)  is why you should always do the cap discharge output, and cap is disonnected from source too,  type of two stage output circuit with these things, so that the event of hitting aload does not amp-up the motor or slow rotor....and only thing to worry about then is the filling of caps (thats why you want to SHORT caps full but that is other subject)

anyways there are going to be a few differnet ways to make these Muller-loopers I bet in about a month from now there will be some loopers happeiing and they wont be all the same method...Bolts way to tune with helper-magnet distance and AC cap sins series is very VALID and has already been validated in video too and does not slow rotor
and so is my way of shorting coils at peaks and using two stage output and so is romeros way too, although of everyone is not completely sure of yet what exaclty he did to get it to work.

ciaoK

also have theory how Oblts method of tning with Ac caps and adjstu of helper magnets behind cores relates to roemeros looper - since Romero did not use those AC caps in series...

anyways the helper magnet's distance from cores adjsut affects the inductance of coils and then you adjsut cap size with particular rpms and load and eveyting to make it put out into load with no lenz law which is objective.

since romero had no Ac caps is series, you wonder how did he do it?

my theory is it is through the AIR GAP between the ROTOR magnets and the cores....this is his "substitute" for the AC caps in series like bolts method ....this would also change teh inductance , as well as the helper magnets and maybe you can knock the voltage out of phae 90 degrees with the current using the airgap between rotor magnets and coils/cores, like the AC caps in series does too.

Romero reported at first that he changed the AIRGAP hundreds and hundreds of times...I was wondierng why he would need to do this - jsut set the airgap between rotor magnets and coils/cores about 1.5mm that should be good.. (gap between helper magnets and cores is other story)
So maybe that is what he did - find the balance between rotor magnet argap, and the balance with the helper magnets
put coils into load while doing this - similar to what the dump-cap will be in looping mode, get it to speed up when into this load after lots of adjsutments...