Konehead posted something very interesting but I am not sure if I understood clearly.

I will give my "intuition" about how this is working so far. Some facts first:

- in certain points of the RPM I have the input amp meter fluctuating violently around 50ma range, so if it is 800ma input it will vibrate between 775 and 825 ma. This is the same exact moment where the motor is the noisiest and it is about to break the RPM barrier and go to the next RPM higher speed level.

- all my generator coils behave in the same manner with slight differences in output voltage and total current, but basically the same behavior.

- with bias magnets I can get pretty close to no load RPM speed and no bias magnets.

- when bias magnets are well located on the stator I can stop the motor and start from zero RPM to max RPM without intervention where if when the bias magnets are not well located correctly (although still under higher RPM), stopping the motor and starting from zero RPM will NOT go to max RPM. It will stop somewhere about 1/2 way through.

- best location for bias magnets have been when the motor becomes very noisy and still increase RPM.

- ANY change in load will destroy the whole tuning process and one must start from scratch.

- Every time RPM barrier is passed input consumption goes down (I am using Arduino as a controller where I limit the maximum input power and at the same time control the pulsing width and duration so that lower input power is desired for higher RPM).

- Bias magnets DO increase output voltage every time but it is because of increased RPM.

- Most of my bias magnets are over NON-GENERATOR coils (I am using one or two generator coils only so far). So they are working towards a RPM balancing act than increasing voltage on generator coils (everyone is too focus on that one place, i think).

- Most of the Bias magnets are in attraction mode to the rotor magnets. When in repulsion I am not able to increase speed with load.

- I have been putting bias magnets only on the top stator for now.

- Output wave of the voltage on the ends of both generator coils (what is seen by the FWBR) is composed of two humps. One will be swallowed by the consuming current on the output but the other will not. My video shows that (the flattening second wave hump!).

- Bias magnets also helps shaping the output current wave. It makes the Q of it much smaller or sharper.

Based on those observable facts I am felling this to be like a pressure system. When rotor is noisy and wants to pass the RPM barrier the passing rotor magnet are pushing back to the input power some energy that causes the meter to vibrate. Increased pressure on the pipe the input feels it. (I know that is so not EE).

When rotor magnet passes by the two generator coils they both will inevitably generate current and voltage and therefore CEMF will be created fighting the passing magnet (Lenz Law) but each coil is like a pressure valve. They are not equal in strength and one gives up allowing current to pass overall and go to the output. Two things will happen here, one will be the winning current will also be the winning CEMF that the rotor "sees", causing de-acceleration of the rotor but the other "losing" coil will create another -CEMF (negative sign) where it will create a positive torque or acceleration of the rotor. That is the one allowing the rotor to increase RPM and still extract power.

So the two coils act like counter connected pressure valves that balance each other in a perfect act to allow the passing rotor magnet to simply pass unhindered by Lenz law, but since nothing is perfect some RPM is still lost. Perfection, as some have mention already, on the construction of the coils and the magnets on the rotor would allow a zero Lenz "visible" effect. Lots of variable here to make anyone give up this motor.

I do also see the Howard Johnson tri-gate magnet in play here. They are simply dynamic. They happen ONLY when extracting power from the coils. Therefore the load is critical for the proper balancing act of the "pressure pump" of the generator coils.

Input power is pretty constant to a certain range during the whole process of tuning which tells me that the bias magnets are indeed playing with the only thing they have available which is Lenz effect. They are not creating extra power but simply eliminating friction. Now they could be creating power (moving hand on top of stator causes output power increase) but this is not the primary mover. More like a side effect.

Fausto.

Mond wrote:

"If you have a top and bottom coil that is not exactly matched wrt o/p power then the coil with the greatest o/p power will "win/rule" and push the appropriate conventional current to the load."


Could that be the reason for the different gaps between the the upper and lower coils ?

Regards...

Quote from: neptune on July 18, 2011, 02:05:49 PM
@Mondrasek . I can see a rough pattern in your data . It will not be easy to get exact readings as the proximity of your hands and body will effect the results . I am an "A" class radio ham , but am more of a practical guy than a theory man.

I also see that "rough pattern". 

The subsequent data has been taken while reducing the effective "antenna length" by changing the "antenna length" shortening cuts (reduction in overall antenna length) from 20cm to 10cm and then again 5cm (so far) each cut.

Quote from: neptune on July 18, 2011, 02:05:49 PM
As regards my late friend Pete [ not Bill] he was not a computer man , but he was the best mechanic and welder I ever met .

Did we know Pete on-line?

Again, my sincere regret for your loss.  Pete appeared to be an amazing man and an important friend to you.

It is very amusing to me that Pete was the best mechanic and welder that you ever met.  My best friend at work is named Bill (I think that is why I transposed his name for Pete) and is one of the best robotic technicians I have ever met (meaning he can weld, diagnose electronics, AND run down mechanical problems).  Those individuals are hared to come by, but I believe we could label them as "natural physicists".

Glad to have an RF guy like yourself involved with this testing.  This shit is waaaaay over my head.

Lets "get 'er done".

M.

PS.  Call me Mo.

Quote from: David70 on July 18, 2011, 02:00:52 PM
@nul-points
is it coincidence that Romero called collector that toroid?

hi Dave, yes - interesting idea!  i seem to remember though that someone said that photo dated back to much earlier than when Romero was building the Muller type device?  but he may have had that same basic idea in mind for whichever device he was working on at the time. Thanks for noticing the possible link there!


LOL @ neptune's alternator exiting stage left through the shed wall !

for some strange reason the following Limerick (poem) comes to mind:

"As they fished his new plane from the sea,
the inventor just chuckled with glee.
I shall build - and he laughed -
a submarine craft,
and perhaps it will fly - we shall see"


having seen a cool tail lift invented by someone we both know, i can definitely say that the poem doesn't apply, but hopefully it will bring a smile to one or two faces


PS**  did you hear that rUK faked his Dynamo? 

apparently, it was COP>6, so he connected a resistor across the o/p and hid it down the centre of the table to bring the COP down to a more believable value

no, really - if you look carefully, you can see the wires going down the centre hole to the resistor 

keep on truckin'
np


(** hopefully, i don't need to say this is intended in good humour!)


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

Quote from: nul-points on July 18, 2011, 03:03:26 PM

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PS**  did you hear that rUK faked his Dynamo? 

apparently, it was COP>6, so he connected a resistor across the o/p and hid it down the centre of the table to bring the COP down to a more believable value

no, really - if you look carefully, you can see the wires going down the centre hole to the resistor 

keep on truckin'
np


(** hopefully, i don't need to say this is intended in good humour!)


http://docsfreelunch.blogspot.com

If you asked the PITA Wattsup, he's a 1000% sure the wires through the hole go into a battery. It's all in the mind.

cheers
chrisC