Quote from: mex on August 31, 2011, 05:27:58 PM
  "M wave"...

Good example Mex. Generally each magnet will make a full sine as posted above, but if the following magnets spacing is not right then the two don't synchronize and so don't add up. If the following magnets sine overlays the leading sine then the two products add and also show a nice sine pattern.

In the romero muller this is not a problem because of the 2 1/2 times magnet spacing and each coil to its own FWB. However when you add the two top and bottom coils then you get a more than twice addition! (but zero in bucking mode.)

Ron

Hi ron

I am using ferrite cores, with magnets behind them too in romeorUK variant things testing out now.
Jsut got the speed up to 2150rpm with 200ma input and 8.4V input by playhing with the magnets behind cores...
backemf into cap speeds it up anohter 200rpm or so...going to short the coils soon at the "neg peak"

form what I see, if aircores,  at the "TDC" positioning, with magnet centered right over coil, makes sort of eye of hurricane effect and voltage drops right there, like the scope shot mex jsut put up.  (tne M peaks)
aircores size and width should be so they are "centered" on the rim-edge of the magnet so if 40mm  wide magnet forexample, have coils
ID about 36mm and OD about 44mm

you can get all sorts of funny scope shots with aircores, depending on rpms, coil size compared to magnet size, and spacing of magnets to coils too....you have to really play around alot with spacing and size ie of coils and rpms when using aricores to get a decent sinewave if using N-S magnets for example ..

if all-N magnets and looking for the PERFECT AC sincewave, you should have pairs of air coils next to each other hooked together "backwards", and in series,
and twice as many coils as magnets, so one magnet passes by two coils in series - so its two coils working as one coil sort of....this will DOUBLE the frequency too, as compared to having 4 magets against 4 coils...and makes super-perfect sinewave with aircores.
it is very cool and also validates what I am saying about the front leading edge and the back trailing edge of magnet actually creating the peaks, and NOT the "TDC" of magnet over coil (in aircores).

Way I see it, the scope shot mex shows is the edge of the front of the magnet making the first of the double peaks, and the back of the magnet making the second of the double peaks. I dont know if these are aircores, but will assume so...

magnets dont have just the face N and face S there is the leading edge and the trailing edge too...even if hockey pucks...it actually makes no logical sense how the round hickey puck magnets would do that - block or rectangular magnets it makes sense but round magnets you would assume the flat  N and S face of magnet would overwhelm any sort of poles on the "edges" but example below next paragraph I describe of 4 coils on plate 90 degrees apart, vs two all N magnets at 180 degrees apart in rotor does just what it should be doing if what I am saying is true and I've done this alot and it works great for very nice AC generator with aircores...

the example is:
normally if you want 60hz AC, you would spin 4  N-S magnets at 1800 rpm against a coil(s) (all coils in phase) and with aricores if you get the size and shape good, you should get at least "flat tops" to the peaks - where it doesnt dip into the M peak syndrome....

but if you have 2 N-only magnets against same
number and spacing of coils
(so coils at 12 3 6 and 9 oclock and magnets jsut 12 and 6 oclock in rotor)
and then hook up the adjacent pairs of coils in series ( 12oclock coil connects to 3 oclock only, and  6 oclock connects to 9 oclok coil only) and run these adjacent coils "backwards" too, now you will get 60hz at 900rpm (!) and that perfect sinewave too...so how could this be?
you have half the number of magnets now, but have doubled the frequency, you would think the frequency would be halved....

plus have now made perfect AC sine??

Its becasue its the leading and trailing edges of those magnets doing the "inducing of peaks": now... and so of the 2 magnets, the is actually "4 poles" and then those 4 poles go past two paris of coils having the 2nd coil of pair wired backwards and series is the trick to make the ncie sinewave.

whats important about that diode plug circuit I put up is that it is way to take out power NON REFLECTIVE from generator coils,

"where" the sinewave peak is in relation to magnet postiioning relavie to coils, and where you want to switch caps out within sinewave and the duration, the loading  and all the technical bench testing stuff  is up to the guy looking at scope and meters and the particular system being tested,,,in romeorUK rigs, the sinewave is not symmeterical; it plunges fast becasue of the magnets so the timing of any sinewave-peak switching of caps to load or coils to caps would have to be be done to match-up with this particular shape  ...

Hello to everyone!
Ron! Sincerely attention creations, really nice work. I'm just a man I'm experimenting in his spare time, who is interested in free energy. The waveform shown a pair of coils and two magnetic interactions. The cube-shaped magnets, coil and toroidal core.
The distance between the magnets in determining the correct setting, it arises in the waveform. The polarity of the magnets in a uniform, NN, but it can also SS.
More good work everyone!

ps: Sorry, I do not know English, you have to use the google translator ....

Quote from: konehead on September 01, 2011, 01:05:11 AM
Hi ron

I am using ferrite cores, with magnets behind them too in romeorUK variant
snip

Its becasue its the leading and trailing edges of those magnets doing the "inducing of peaks": now... and so of the 2 magnets, the is actually "4 poles" and then those 4 poles go past two paris of coils having the 2nd coil of pair wired backwards and series is the trick to make the ncie sinewave.

whats important about that diode plug circuit I put up is that it is way to take out power NON REFLECTIVE from generator coils,

"where" the sinewave peak is in relation to magnet postiioning relavie to coils, and where you want to switch caps out within sinewave and the duration, the loading  and all the technical bench testing stuff  is up to the guy looking at scope and meters and the particular system being tested,,,in romeorUK rigs, the sinewave is not symmeterical; it plunges fast becasue of the magnets so the timing of any sinewave-peak switching of caps to load or coils to caps would have to be be done to match-up with this particular shape  ...

Hi Doug,

Then the sine depiction is incorrect in your drawing.

The 'field' around the edge of the magnet is the strongest so that is where most of the action takes place, yes.

But basically it is really simple. The induced voltage is the product of direction and speed (velocity) As the magnet approaches, one half of the sine is produced and as the magnet retreats, the opposite sine is produced. Always has... always will be. See my two scope shots, very clear. There is a peak as it approaches and the opposite peak as it retreats, NOT a double negative peak as you indicate in your drawing.

Admittedly as RPM goes up the zero crossing line will be offset somewhat from the actual magnet center line in a cored coil but in an air core this will be practically a non-event.

For clarity and as a teaching aid to the newbies it would be best to redraw your drawing to correctly show the one peak on approach and the opposite peak on retreat.

Cheers,

Ron

hi Ron

That is what I am showing, a peak on approach and a peak on retreat with a single magnet going past a single coil.
and didoe plug circut should be in-synch with the peaks created.
where exactly the peak is going to be in relation to manget and coil postion -is dependent on the size of magnet vs coil rpms and if aircore or cored coil and ths proportions of those.
try my experiment with the 4 coils vs 2 N magnets with adjacent coil paris wired series-backwards and you will see why I drew that like I did.