Quote from: NickZ on November 18, 2011, 01:30:41 AM
   If you feel that the aluminum/carbon/quartz cell can be the answer, then why don't you build some cells as you've mentioned doing, and see if it really works as planned With the semiconductor, doping, mix, and all.  There is no more convincing idea than a working device. 
  I already know what I need to do, and am working towards that direction, in my own way, although I won't know if its the right way to go, until I get there.
  My main point of view is to mention that these cells, are working off of field energies, and not just galvanic reactions, or just advanced galvanics, as Ib likes to call it. I would have discarded them long ago.  It may be a confusing topic, for some, but not for me, although  I may be wrong about that, if I am, I'll be the first to admit it. As I'm not really partial to anything but the truth, as I see it...
   Although some people like Tesla could see or envision an idea before they make it happen for real. I don't have the best forsight, and need to experiment by trial and error, at times. Not the best approach perhaps, but it has worked for me up to now, to a degree. In any case this should all be fun to do, or else we're barking up the wrong tree. 
 
 

Agreed. But on the comment about Tesla always building in his head thats not what I got from it. This one avenue intrigued him to no end. This is what he could not envision and that made him want to experiment for the first time. It drove him to experiment. All of his life he could build and modify devices in his head but he couldn't do that with this for some reason and he was in new territory for the first time.


All good scientists are empirical experimenters. They learn from watching in front of there eyes. That even included Tesla.


Oh I'm getting ready for the device. I am designing the casing (can) now. I have the carbon but have yet to get silica sand (quarts). I have decided to use the quarts because it is harder. It should make the unit tougher. We shall see. I am on the fence now with either Aluminum can or Magnesium. The latter would be more powerful but I don't think it needs the power spread. I guess thats what experimentation is for right?

  Although I do have some of the same envisioning abilities as Tesla, as some of us do also, and I don't really know how or which way Tesla was doing it, as I only read about it, I do see some merit in doing that myself to the degree that I can.  I do agree that there may be some aspect of new ideas that we can only know by actual experiment and tests, but there are even better ways to get there, if you are able to do it, than the old trial and error approach.
   I hope that you can do some hands-on experiments now that you have most of the needed materials.  The magnesium-carbon is the best way to go, in what we see from other tests. But big aluminum capacitor cans also work, if the mg is a problem to obtain.
I prefer the no semiconductor way of doing it, as it involves less work, and I'm not really sold on that process, yet, as it needs further proof,  as well as possible non kitchen table labs, in order to use the no water methods mentioned my JB, when refering to the Reid semiconductor cells.  But 2mA outputs are not worth the effort, as far as I'm concerned, if that is really what they put out, which even this I doubt.
  Ib2 may be able to obtain an even higher current output without the additional semiconductor work, so I'm very interested in seeing his current and future results, also.
   My idea is the dry No water way of doing it, but it may not provide the same output as the other ways.
In any case I'm not trying to run my car, or light my house on these cells, as I'm also working on other ideas as well.

Quote from: NickZ on November 18, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
  Although I do have some of the same envisioning abilities as Tesla, as some of us do also, and I don't really know how or which way Tesla was doing it, as I only read about it, I do see some merit in doing that myself to the degree that I can.  I do agree that there may be some aspect of new ideas that we can only know by actual experiment and tests, but there are even better ways to get there, if you are able to do it, than the old trial and error approach.
   I hope that you can do some hands-on experiments now that you have most of the needed materials.  The magnesium-carbon is the best way to go, in what we see from other tests. But big aluminum capacitor cans also work, if the mg is a problem to obtain.
I prefer the no semiconductor way of doing it, as it involves less work, and I'm not really sold on that process, yet, as it needs further proof,  as well as possible non kitchen table labs, in order to use the no water methods mentioned my JB, when refering to the Reid semiconductor cells.  But 2mA outputs are not worth the effort, as far as I'm concerned, if that is really what they put out, which even this I doubt.
  Ib2 may be able to obtain an even higher current output without the additional semiconductor work, so I'm very interested in seeing his current and future results, also.
   My idea is the dry No water way of doing it, but it may not provide the same output as the other ways.
In any case I'm not trying to run my car, or light my house on these cells, as I'm also working on other ideas as well.

Yeah my experiments have been along the lines of how to get the oxide layer for aluminum. I have found that Oxi-Cleaner products do real well at that. It contains Sodium Percarbonate & Sodium carbonate. It does make the aluminum have a matte finish (Dull). I got a few more tests to do with that route then it is off to trying to get a big round of Aluminum. I think the more center electrode mass the better so I'm looking for some 1/2"-1" rounds of graphite as well or carbon. The quartz sand I think I'll get online. I think the finest grade(mesh size) should do for this application.


I agree that no water would be the perfect source. The problem is if that is even possible at all.

  Although the no water is possible, the questions is that really the best way to go.  In any case, nothing tried nothing gained.  If in doubt just wait, for something better, but if you want to have some fun now...

Don't get me wrong I have 8 cells running atm. All different designs. My best was to test the Oxide layer on the aluminum. It's in a thick glass jar. I treated the aluminum in a borax was first. Then I coated the wet aluminum in borax powder. Slipped the coil into the jar and added more borax Epsom's salts and Salt substitute. Nothing that I could remember about how much each. I think it was a majority of borax water with some Epsom's crystals from the milk carton. Now I know why my mixed always ran over. The Epsom's salt is loaded with this crystalline water. Highly polarized this stuff is. The salt substitute is at a pinch or two. I think it was two pinches. The borax crystals are the cement the sticky part when wet. The water is very organized already from the Epsom's salts. The salt substitute seems to be the work horse or higher density crystals. They form the network.


The one thing is the aluminum coil hasn't been touched and the crystalline material has started to reach the inner of that outer aluminum coil. I need to take a good picture of it back lit for you. But as usual my lab is a mess.. Lil.. He said Lab... It hasn't evaporated all of the water in it. But since that water was already polarized it didn't need much to start forming crystals. I then cooked the whole jar in Boiling water. I sealed it with glue on the top but it pulled away and a rim has formed around the glue. Kinda neat breather space.


It still only runs .61 , I can't tell you the current because I blew that feature in my high voltage days with this meter. I know the voltage part is OK, I just blew the fuse in it for the current. There is fluid in this yet no galvanic reaction that I can tell... So I am believing that this process I devised might work well as a water barrier. I'm assuming the smaller the oxide layer the better the effect to a point. Once the oxide crystals form it won't be long before they grow too fast and get too big. Heating the aluminum does help tons if you can spray the borax on. But getting an even coat is very hard. I'm sure there is a better way to do that that I don't know about.


That's where I came up with the idea of using the Oxi-Cleaner. It seems to leave the deposit even all over the aluminum. After cooking it it should activate that layer to be used in a water situation. I'll see when I get to that part.


I'm still working on the parts for the dry cell like you have made. Except I'm doing the oxide thing and containing it all with the end piece I'm gonna have made. The electrode for the first small unit will be the graphite 5.6 mm leads I can get here. The carbon is also great quality so we'll see what happens.