Hi Chalamadad

Yes it should work better, charge the battery faster and also use less power to do it too if you discharge cap at 24V say every half second (whatever) as compared to a capacitor "continuoulsy" at 13V across battery....there jsut wont be much current-punch to a cap with 13V in it, as same cap compared to 24V in it...also batteris like to breath a bit in between pulses - thats why off-shelf battery chargers you plug into wall rectify the AC grid power, but dont use both peaks; just the pos peak or jsut the neg peak, so there is a blank-area of nothing happening in between the pulses of charging current - the batteis charge better like that besides it uses less current too...

Hi Chalamadad

Couldnt figure out how to reply to your personal message, so posting here in order to reply to  your message I just got:

to dump cap into battery, using PNP mosfet, have battery and cap share common ground and so switch cap into battery on the positive side...

I think you will want to put the cap POS to the SOURCE of the mosfet, and then the DRAIN of the mosfet goes to the battery POS.....

however I might have that backwards, (very likely)  and if so,  then the  POS of the cap goes to the DRAIN of the mosfet, and the SOURCE of the mosfet goes to the battery pos....if it is the wrong way to do it, the mosfet will stay ON (closed) all the time...

Yes I knew Bill Muller and visited him quite a few times up there in BC Canada and learned a lot from him that is for sure. Here is video of him lighting 300W bulb with single coil held in hand next to rotor of his demo mahcine of 16 large hockey puck size magnets - that is me in the T-shirt in the video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fF9aSEeVo

Everyone should read the document Combine.pdf again closely. A lot of info in this document that is matching quite closely what Romero did in his build. Very helpful to understand different techniques of energy extraction and how to apply them.

hi all

Its interesting what Nolan has done with his Muller motor-gernator here - It got some details from him what it does which is hard to see in the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2Z_Tp0cw0

Input is 22VDC and 3.8A so around 80W or so input...he uses a variac rectified for the DC input - but he could use two 12V  batteins in series too...

the output is 1A and 120V going into a light bulb fully lit as shown (so its overunity)

what he does to spin his rotor (N-S magnets) is to fire just 4 times a revolution, so only the N or only the S magnets in the rotor gets pulsed by the input current.

He has blacksand cores, which he got from ebay ("oregon beach blacksand") its the type of blacksand that has some trace bits of gold in it, Bill Muller used to get his blacksand from some gold mine operation too...

He has 9 coils on each side of the rotor, so 18 coils in all and so 9 coil "sets"

Just two of his coil "sets" are pulsed REPULSIVE to the rotor magnets, and this is what gives the input current and voltage - the coil facing-pairs/sets are wired in series...the coils are series-adding bifilar wound too...not sure of his wire gauge but I think around 22GA or mabye 18GA thickness

the remaining 6 coils sets are just there, but not hooked up at all.

Interesting he gets only 18V or so if he puts FWBR on a generator coil set and fedds a cap (two coils facing each other in series)...whicn is about normal - plus if he puts a light on it, or shorts it out, it lugs the rotor badly - also something normal too....

He said he "stumbled upon" the idea to PULSE a third set of coils (again, jsut two coils, facing one antoher and in series) but wired ATTRACTIVE to the rotor magnets for the "pulsed generator coil-set"....

So two coil sets, recieve juice, and push the rotor around repulsive firing...
and just ONE coil set is the generator coil that lights up that bulb at 120V and 1A (!!!)

Thats pretty good jump in power - from 18V from one coil set, to 120V with light bulb...he says testing with cap unloaded across  that generator coil, he will have 300V in it (!!!)

THE TRICK is he finds the sweet spot WHEN EXACLTY in the rotationto pulse that generator coil attracive with a halleffect - just moving it around, wathcing input and output at same time as way to find the sweet spot.

He says it actually brakes the rotor somewhat, so no "speed up" BUT the power is huge increase on the output when you find sweetspot to get all the power output.

The voltage, via timing adjustmen with the halleffect, can go up to 170V with the light bulb, but he says at that voltage output and that particular timing-point, the motor part of it really lugs up badly in watts input, and its not OU duing the "highest voltage possible" so that doesnt happen to be the sweet spot you are looking for - its when it is at 120V and one amp into the light bulb where the timing is in this paritcular machine...

He thinks the attracive pulse is working like some sort of "switched short" or bucking sort of thing going on and I bet it is - since you can expect X20 voltage when you short a coil at its peak - however Nolan is hitting the load of lights directly; so with his method, he isnt filling a cap "unloaded", then having cap hit load afterwards when cap is also disconnected from coils at same time like I always write about (the two stage output circuit) ....Nolan has only one "stage"reallu: pulse that "coil-set" attractive, (and 4 times a revolution if 8 magnet N-S rotor), and and then he puts a FWBR AC legs across the coil-set's leads, and DC side into cap, and light bulb right over the cap....I am not positive he has a cap over the DC side of the fWBR but most probably does....anyway - its very simple thing really - should work on any RomeroUK machine all the people here have built too - so what you want to do is run the power feed that runs the motor/drive coils, ALSO into a generator coil set too...wire it attractive and look for sweet spot thats about it...

All pulsing is sequential - nothing happens same time - so its first, a repulsive firing into coil set A to spin rotor, then another repulsive pulse to coil set B , and then the attracive-pulse to the generator coil set C; then FWBR over coil-set C, and DC side into cap and load at same time and thats it....only thing is to find the sweet spot and thats easy with halleffect...

Lots of possiblilites for this - like runnign your backemf from mtoor/drive coils into the pulsed-attractive genrator coil, instead of the power feed itself, also in case of RomeroUk machines, you could "Strign" all your gernator coil in series on the DC side of FWBRs over each coil set, (like Romeor did) then, pulse that whole string of genrator coils at once, also "attractive"...Mabye you want the rotor to actually pull its elf backwards is the idea, durign that gernator-coil pulse, so the mechanical-lug/brake of that pulse though all the coils collapses all the coils at once and when swtihc opens it slams huge voltage out (dont know just made that up)

I bet this is what Romero did now - thats why he got such a huge "impossible" increase in voltage from his generator coils, and also why his input draw was quite high, when it looped....

Oh man this really makes sense. Thank you conehead and Nolan.  The little magnets on the side are actually to hit the generator coils with opposing signal of the same magnitude. If that is indeed what is going on here I see it is same as shorting only it is not dead short it is shorting with opposing current head on. This method of short creates spring action that multiplies on rebound. The clue is marginal slowdown of the rotor on triggering additional set of coils. I also suspect RomeroUK was kicking all the sets of generator coils as conehed suggested. This is wonderful news. I see we need new schematics so to get better understanding.  I hope Nolan steps up to the plate and provides us prcise instructions so we can finaly make some use of the setups we built so far.
David.