It looks like a up hill battle .... there's to much evidence to hide !!!

I think Rosemary is fighting a loosing game .... and things are going to speed up and not in her favor.   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YGF5R9i53A     

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on May 09, 2012, 04:19:03 PM
No PhiChaser - you're STILL wrong.

Wattage cannot be divorced from the concept of power - either delivered or dissipated.  And it must always factor in time.  Here's the CORRECT equation which is also - inter alia - it's DEFINITION.

How am I wrong? Because you say I am??
Um... I never said wattage was divorced of anything? Where did I say these things?
How else would you describe power besides in watts?
Show me where I was wrong, don't just say "you're STILL wrong". Exactly what part of what I said is incorrect? What a prat...
I was trying to get you to understand the difference between watts and joules and (more importantly) WHY they aren't 'interchangeable'. I was NOT talking about the power equation. But since you brought it up and posted it let's take a look at that...

Do you understand the 'magic' pyramids?
Is something inside them or are they merely decoration? Hmm...
DELTA means change Rosemary. Like: 'delta vee' is a change in velocity, make sense?
The TIME that you're trying to divorce, or make me divorce, or whatever the hell you were trying to say, is trapped inside those little triangles Rosemary. All those seconds are stuck in there!

Kind of like you being 'stuck' to the Tar Baby. That still cracks me up...
So are watts and joules still interchangeable Rosemary? Where am I wrong?
Done that Dim Bulb Test yet? Mmmph... Keep typing... 

Still waiting for that new math,
PC

Let's see.... cycles per second is called Hertz, or Hz.
And Joules per second is called Watts, or W.

But Miles Per Hour is clumsy and hasn't had a clever name assigned to it. Let's call this RATE (distance travelled per unit time) of a mile per hour a Twatt. For Twohig Cranston, of course, the inventor of the modern speedometer.

So when you are driving down the highway you are going 60 Twatts. That means in one hour you'll travel 60 miles, because a mile PER HOUR is a TWATT, by definition.

The Mile is the fundamental unit, the "thing" that doesn't change, that is conserved. A mile is a mile.
The Twatt is a DERIVED UNIT, a RATE OF CHANGE OF MILES... those delta pyramids in the Twatt Equation T = delta Miles/delta Hours.

One TWATT is one mile per hour. One Mile... is not one TWATT per hour.  The speedometer measures TWATTS, the odometer (an INTEGRATING speedometer) measures MILES. There is a difference and the terms are not interchangeable.

Energy, measured in JOULES, is the conserved quantity, the FUNDAMENTAL UNIT. Power, measured in WATTS, A RATE, a derived quantity, is the INSTANTANEOUS RATE OF CHANGE of JOULES.  The average power measured in Watts is the total number of JOULES dissipated divided by the TIME over which it is dissipated. One Watt is one Joule per second. One Joule is NOT one watt per second, it is one wattsecond. There is a difference and the terms are not interchangeable. 

A Wattmeter measures power. That is the big horizontal rotating disc in your home utility meter. The faster you use energy.. the more Joules per second... the more WATTS ... and the faster that wheel spins. Its spin speed is proportional to the WATTS value: the instantaneous rate of energy usage.  A WATTSECOND meter, which INTEGRATES or adds up all the Joules per second and multiplies by seconds.... is the ENERGY meter which determines your electric bill, and this corresponds to the numbered little dials with arrows on the face of the utility meter.

You are charged for KiloWatt Hours, which is a big number of watt seconds -- JOULES -- all lumped together: the units are power times time. A watt TIMES a second, meaning a Watt of power dissipated during one second, means that ONE JOULE has been dissipated in that one second.

That same one JOULE could be dissipated in 0.0001 second as well. What is the average power, the Joules Per Second, during that brief pulse? It is 1 Joule / 0.0001 second, or  TEN KILOWATTS.  Have we suddenly created overunity, just by discharging our one Joule in a tenth of a millisecond?

No, of course not. We have simply illustrated that the JOULE is a conserved QUANTITY and a Watt is a rate, and that one Joule can be dissipated at just about any rate, hence just about any AVERAGE POWER.

A mile is a mile, a mile per hour is not a mile. You can go just about any speed at any time...your instantaneous MILES PER HOUR, but a mile is still a mile and won't change no matter how fast or slowly you go.

TK,

Please consider going back to the FG with the TB and set the pos portion so that you have similar 320ma flowing as in that 'scope shot.  Set your neg portion for least bias current with similar oscillations(you might try -14V open circuit as well) .  Try to set conditions as close to the discussed 'scope shot as possible. 

Check your DC current draw and amount of heat at load.  Also, watch the Q's, they could get a bit warm.

Probe across the load as close to the load as possible to see if you can determine AC drop/current thru the load.

I believe some time ago you surmised that possibly the load R was heated during pre/post-test tweaking and set to these levels only for a time.  It would be interesting to see how much load heating you can attain at these settings.

Reading indicates that possibly settings were adjusted variously so that 'scope shot may be but one capture representative of but one of several different adjustments/settings.

FedEx arrived today, gonna' be real busy for while...

PW

Rosemary:

Those four-plus full pages of postings on this thread about instantaneous power vs. average power were an exercise in irrational and nonsensical idiocy on your part.  It was ridiculous in the extreme and your accusations that none of us knew what we were talking about with respect to power analysis were ridiculous.

That whole episode was just a baffling Tar Baby entanglement for nothing.  It's like it served as a temporary platform for you to bash us in the most illogical and irrational way.  Somewhere inside you you had to know that this was all just a ridiculous exercise.  You have observed technical discussions and analyses from some of us for years, and you are well aware of our competencies.  So had to know that your comments about us being incompetent with respect to power analysis were all nonsense from the beginning.

Some kind of very strange psychological processes are going in your head.  You need to calm down and take a breath and come back to your normal emotional center of gravity.  Your crazy irrational combative comments have to stop.

Look at this comment from you:

QuoteAnd with it they've also blackened any hope of authority to comment on any power measurements EVER again

That comment is complete nonsense, and it was at the start of the lunacy.

You have to get your batteries and run your dim bulb tests.  That is your best course of action.  If you can share your test procedure with us we can comment and hopefully agree on how to go about it.  There is no reason for that discussion to degenerate into the surreal irrational idiocy that just took place on this thread over the past 48 hours.

You need to pull yourself together and work cooperatively with us to do your tests.  If you say that we can't help you because we are incompetent and you need to get "endorsement from academics" then you will be starting the whole ugly irrational bitter struggle one more time - for nothing.

So do you want to do the dim bulb test or not?  If yes, when do you want to do it?

MileHigh