TIME LIFE  books,theme "Plants":
the earth has sufficient natural resources for 300.000.000 human habitants,
without agriculture. 1500 lived on earth 300.000.000 human people !

Today are living   7.000.000.000 human habitants on earth ,only surviving through the agriculture !
And with many metropolitan aereas with habitant densities over 3000 hab./qkm worldwide !
How,without money,the market there will work ?
Who will define the (barter/tender)value that has to be compensated between seller and buyer ?
Accepted and also compensated(=tribut) by both sides !

The relationship between religion and the comercial market you find here:
the forum romanum protected by god mercator ! ,mercado( spanisch/portuguese),market(engl.),Markt(germ.) !
The temple/the church has been the comercial forum ,the market !
Church-/Kirchen-Messe/fair= short Kirmes

But we have now markets without religion,markets without frontier and to freeze,,to live as rolling stone,to be thursty and hungry and probably also ill and without help  and values to compensate the medicine !


Sincerely
                 CdL

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on May 16, 2012, 03:39:51 PM
learn the difference between wants and needs...

I do know.   The politicians are keeping most for themselves.   And they don't need that much.  I've been given information you propably haven't been given.   If you want to know what it is, read my mind.   

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... should i? ...

You really are intelligent.   Good point.   We've already agreed that we both don't give a damn about the other's opinions.

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... and northern minnesota has harder winters than san fran... so what? ...

I spent a year in Maine while serving in the USAF.   That's so what.   Please try and figure out what I'm insinuating!

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... build a tepee like your ancestors did. here's a tip, fire keeps you warm. ...

Some of my ancestors were Saami hunter/gatherers in Finland.   The Saami have tipis just like Native Americans.   Which kind do you suggest?   Tip:  I'm being sarcastic and trying to be facetious as well.                Now you know how I feel and possibly others when you do something like that to me and a few others.

Seriously, though, Shelters and open fires are illegal in S.F.   The cops are also cracking down on the homeless sleeping on the streets.   Some of those cops were probably bullies in school.   Studies show a career path correlation between schoolyard bullying and those who grow up to join a police force.   About 10%, on average.   And they have a tendency to mistreat their wives and/or children as well.

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http://wemustknow.net/2012/05/no-place-like-home-cave-in-the-utah-desert-where-man-who-has-given-up-money-lives/

I had to do some of that on the streets.   The outdoors doesn't suit my body type, though.   Way too hard and unnecessary, also.   The hell with that:  I said I had an exit plan from S.F. and it doesn't included anyone else, just like Suelo.   Read my mind for the answer, 'cause that's all you're getting.   
Both you and 'Dr.' No(wak), the neo-Nazi, eventually stop writing after a while, especially him.   Frankly you two act alike in some ways:
1) You both have shitty opinions I don't like
2) Yours and his general message are a piss-off to me

--Lee

triffid,
Concerning your posted Reply #2661, read this:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/02/world/europe/greece-papathanasopoulou-family/index.html

I thought of this country, and California, where I live.

And this:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/05/nightmare-scenarios-if-greece-exits-euro/52312/

--Lee

Big M,her story reminds me of the 9-11 stories I heard so many of in a short time after it occurred.Life is often so unfair.The 1% have betrayed the 99%.Pure and simple.


"The numbers of really poor people has doubled," Tsimas says. "And the middle classes, who established themselves in the 80s, have lost their sense of security. They have the fright of the fall that could come every other day. " Further, he said, "there are millions in the public sector who feel betrayed."

We have unlimited resources in space.Here on earth we need  to duplicate the Gussing,Austria miracle a million times over.They went from depending on oil companies to be independent of them.Renewable energies can supply us a 1000 times over what we need.Here on Earth!
Metals and other materials exist in space in unlimited quanities.More water is in the solar system than on earth.Give NASA ten trillion dollars for a space program and see what happens.Even Venus, in spite of the hell that it is, has resources that we could use.Anyway we can copy the Gussing,Austria without going into space.triffid