Quote from: johnny874 on June 07, 2012, 08:28:30 PM
wayne
tnis part of the forum is for gravity power,
your system is mechanical, it is disruptive to this part of the forum,

What force does buoyancy work against John? 

Mags

in Wayne,s system, it is purely mechanical.
edited
with hydraulic pressure. input equals output.

Quote from: johnny874 on June 07, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
   Uh, Wayne,
I talked to God. She told me to give you a simple hydro-generator idea that can work so I can enjoy building my Bessler wheel.
I don't like you, but do want to enjoy my own life.
  This idea is quite simple so it might be over your head. I did go to school for stuff like this and thanks to God who gave me a hearing loss, I have had much time to learn about such things. After all, who wants a family when they can spend their time learning engineering, right ?
This idea is that the staic head on the left is pumped into a chamber with a vacuum measured in hg's. For people who have no engineering background, hg's is pronounced inches and is what  vacuum is measured in. A vacuum is a pressure below 14.2 psia (pounds per square inch absolute).
At 33 ft. or 9.8m's, a mass of 1 lb. or 1 kg. would have twice the pressure at the bottom of the static head. Any diver would know this, even my brother Paul who did diving for free for the Coast Gaurd. Talk about breaking the rules, he should have been court martialed. He is a strict by the book kind of guy.
The trick is, when pumping water into a vacuum, you are not going against atmospheric pressure. Even at 7.5hg's or 7 psi, a net force of 3.5 psi can be realized. And this simply by using the water in the open side (open to the atmosphere) creating an air tight seal that maintains the vacuum while the water flows.
This is where area to lift vs. pressure comes into play to prevent a static head in the vacuum chamber being of such a height it becomes unworkable.
This is something that can work because it would be manipulating the pressure difference between a constant vacuum and atmospheric pressure.
  If you choke on this Wayne, it's okay with me. But as Alex posted, if it doesn't work in the simple, it won't work in the complex.  And with this, it's components can be tested for under $100.00. I know, you can't afford something that cost effective.
Now I can enjoy my build which I have spent several years on. It's how I roll, like Bessler 

edited to add; correction, a complete vacuum is 30 hg's (inches) or 0 psia. 15 hg's of vacuum is equivalent to 7.1psia.
Was thinking to let it go and see if anyone caught my mistake. It's engineering and something probably everyone in this thread should know.
But who would have thought that a vacuum could perform work ? I mean besides Nature who abhors it.

So you’re saying this system will work?
I’m assuming you haven’t built this in real life, have you?
Looks a lot easier than building your Bessler wheel.
Could you make some more drawings and explanations?
Either send me private message or start a new thread, should probably not post it in here.
Thanks! 

Quote from: johnny874 on June 07, 2012, 09:24:11 PM
in Wayne,s system, it is purely mechanical.

False.  Mr. Wayne's system uses BUOYANCY.  Buoyancy is the result of gravity acting on fluids of different densities!  It is gravity that causes the pressure differentials.  And gravity is free, get it?

Quote from: johnny874 on June 07, 2012, 09:24:11 PM
with hydraulic pressure. input equals output.

Here you are correct.  With traditional hydraulic systems buoyancy is not part of the equations and you have no mechanism for a gain to create an apparent overunity system.

Thanks,

M.

There is no doubt that I need to spend a lot more time trying to understand this thing. Based on what we are told , I accept that this works, and that it is overunity. I am impressed with Mark Dansie`s opinion . I think that more people, including me would understand and be impressed if a simpler way of explaining this can be found. I believe that the hydraulics is not essential to the device being OU, and is just a convenient form of power transmission.
       I understand that in its basic form, the Travis Effect can not form an OU device on its own, so the "layer effect" is used- several basic units in series so to speak.
       You could be the best driver in the world, but that does not make you a good driving instructor. Mr Travis obviously knows more about this machine than anyone on earth. But perhaps someone else is better equipped to reach the rest of us. What we need is a set of diagrams, incorporating a simple Travis device, showing how it could be made to do work operating a teeter totter [see-saw].