I,ve been trying to find out where the free energy could come from and made a couple of drawing to assist. Hope this helps with some of the patent confushion. Nothing fancy, just keep in mind that the channel sizes are exaggerated for clarity.

The Precharge drawing shows the position of the water at the end of stage 1, 2, and 3.
In stage 1, the water is open and air 1 and air 2 is closed. The force from the water only has to overcome the head in channel 1. As the water flow over into channel 2 gravity will level the water in channel 2 and 3 until the top is reached.
In stage 2, the water is closed, air 1 is open and air 2 is closed. The force from the air only has to overcome the head in channel 2 at the start, then gravity pushes that air up to the top and pushes the water in 2 down, and pushes the water in channel 3 over into channel 4 and 5 where gravity will level the water half way up.
In stage 3, the water is closed, air 1 is closed and air 2 is open. The force from the air only has to overcome the head in channel 4 at the start, then gravity pushes that air up to the top and pushes water up in channel 5.
This is a simple example, in actual process the air in 2 and 4 would need to be rebalanced at the end because as the heads combined the trapped air pressures changed length. Also this would not be the exact sequence in the real process as they may be done in concert, but it is broken up to get a better idea of the  total force requirements.

The Travis Effect picture shows the system with exaggerated channels for clarity. The surface areas were based on the drawing using Travis's statement that the top tank was 30" by 20". I used the 3/4 scale on a  architectural rule to get the other dimensions. It is easy to see that the inner and outer risers will work like Pneumatic cylinders. 
Another interesting fact is that the water channels seem to be around 1" and the air channels are around 2". Don't know the drawings accuracy. 
Regards, Larry

Larry,

That was great.  Thanks for posting.

You seem to be on the same wavelength that I have been on recently.  I am not sure how the change in pressures (due to the risers rising) will affect the air columns in the annuli (rings) on the first stroke after the pre-charge.  That is the reason I was hoping for a model built out of acrylic.  But I guess I could just do the maths.

I'm a visual kinda person.  I would like to "see" the interactions and not just do the maths.

Now try thinking about the two risers and the pod being inserted into place with the "tanks" filled with water.  The risers would need to have a vent hole to let out the trapped air.  After those risers are installed those vents are then closed for good.

Then start bubbling air in from the center of the bottom of the main tank.  Won't everything evetually end up in the configuration of your second diagram?


M.

Quote from: mondrasek on June 10, 2012, 03:05:39 PM
Somebody wake up Hicks!

Err, I mean, Sean.

Anyone know where CLaNZeR is these days?  I can't post or PM on his forum.  Not sure if it is working right or if it is just user error.

M.

Hi Mondrasek
Sorry to say, not got much time these days as tied up trying to get a factory setup.
http://www.cncdudez.co.uk

So time very short and no time to play
Cheers
Sean.

Quote from: CLaNZeR on June 10, 2012, 04:57:29 PM

Hi Mondrasek
Sorry to say, not got much time these days as tied up trying to get a factory setup.
http://www.cncdudez.co.uk

So time very short and no time to play
Cheers
Sean.

Okay.  Thanks!

Oh, and best wishes on the factory.

Cheers,

M.

Quote from: mondrasek on June 10, 2012, 04:45:26 PM
You seem to be on the same wavelength that I have been on recently.  I am not sure how the change in pressures (due to the risers rising) will affect the air columns in the annuli (rings) on the first stroke after the pre-charge.  That is the reason I was hoping for a model built out of acrylic.  But I guess I could just do the maths.

I'm a visual kinda person.  I would like to "see" the interactions and not just do the maths.

Now try thinking about the two risers and the pod being inserted into place with the "tanks" filled with water.  The risers would need to have a vent hole to let out the trapped air.  After those risers are installed those vents are then closed for good.

Then start bubbling air in from the center of the bottom of the main tank.  Won't everything evetually end up in the configuration of your second diagram?

M. Thanks,

I was trying to show a mainly water transfer system like Fig 19, but with the pod solid as Travis recommended.

In fig 18 it shows how the air channels have been effected with slight water intrusion in the air channel and slight air intrusion in the water channels, it does not seem to be an issue with the narrow channels. Also, there would be some decompression to help keep the balance. So the lift force at end would be less then at the beginning. But without more facts, he may continue to add air with the rise as shown in 5B  to 5C.

Then start bubbling air in from the center of the bottom of the main tank. 
Won't everything evetually end up in the configuration of your second
diagram?

It would, but then you would have to get rid of the air after lift.
If the pressured water in column 1 was released after lift, then the entire system would collapse and gravity would re-level the water in col 2,3,4,5. That pressued water would be used in the other ZED.  The patent has said there would be water remaining in the system after collapse.

My issue is that as the pod rises, water would need to be added to the pod container to keep the system in balance. This seems to be an issue in both cases, mainly air (Fig 15 to Fig 18) or mainly water.

Regards, Larry