Quote from: iflewmyown on July 06, 2012, 08:48:20 PM
Please study what Wayne has shown on this site. The best way is to read only his posts in the order he wrote them ignoring All others. Then read the posts of the guys who are honestly studying what he teaches. Find and view each of his videos. Do the experiments he shows, as you will never find a cheaper experiment showing the basis of one form of free energy.  I believe Wayne has exactly what he says he has and a lot more that he is not sharing publicly. That is the only answer that is needed by those with an open mind.
Garry

Hello Garry,

You are a brave man, I have such respect for you.

You looked, you listened, you asked questions and understood.

The fact that you would risk the ignorant accusations that have now been dropped by the 'Trolls'
Lends credence to your courage, well done.

I apologize for them.

Wayne Travis

Quote from: MileHigh on July 07, 2012, 12:18:38 AM
Mondrasek:

i can't really comment on that.  Once assumes that you can debate this issue with Wayne and eventually you will hit a wall.  The wall is the "secret sauce," we see it all the time from people promoting free energy propositions.

Just a few more comments.

I saw some spreadsheets but they seemed to only be looking at increased force.  As has already been said, you have to look at work-in and work-out in the spreadsheets.  Without those calculations the spreadsheets are meaningless.

With respect to the "trolls" debate, don't let yourself get brainwashed and don't brainwash yourself.  If you decide that "people that disagree with me are trolls" you are no better than a fascist.  Trolls are not people that want to argue the merits or lack of merits of the proposition.  You start thinking like that and you are heading down a dangerous and ugly path.  Go look up the Wikipedia definition for "troll" and you might agree with me that there is only one troll on this website.

The only thing that Wayne has to offer you is a story that there is a magic configuration that will fit inside a black box filled with water and valves and pipes that can produce an unlimited amount of free energy.  Even though I have not been following, any of you that have been playing with buoyancy and making little setups only see unity.  As far as I am concerned you are just wasting your time.

It's very likely that this thread as it gets longer and longer gets more and more Google attention and starts coming up higher and higher in various search results.  Even a mixture of both good and bad publicity is better than no publicity.  So this could all be part of a project to "set up your fishing" to get investors.  Not such a nice thought, it would imply that Wayne is using you, and this ultimately the exercises you are all doing are BS.  Don't shoot me, it's a real possibility.  Following that train of thought, "Iflewmyown" could very well be a shill.  If he has never been in this thread at all and just showed up the other day with a visit report I would be suspicions.

Because of all of the above, that's why I am suggesting that you focus on whatever Wayne claims he is going to do in his demo of his system to prove that his technology is real.  Play hard ball with Wayne and push for getting all of the input and output measurement data like I already posted.   After all of your back and forth talk in this thread, all that you guys know when push comes to shove is that Wayne is claiming that he has a magic black box that creates power out of nothingness using buoyancy.  He can claim that he is "bending the rules" or that he has a "special trick that does not break the laws of Physics, bla bla bla" it doesn't matter.   Wayne claims that he has a black box, and what you should do on this thread is get ALL of the information about the input and output measurements on the black box.  You should demand this.  Forget about trying to "understand how it works" because that's impossible.  Wayne will always cite his "secret sauce" if needed.

Get the proof that Wayne delivers the goods when he does his demos.  Don't just stand idly by like passive wallflowers and wait to be spoon-fed the results.

MileHigh

First - what is that safety device in a steering wheel?

Second - We have working Demo models - which have been tested - the fact that you keep claiming otherwise is simple disinformation.

The NEXT Validation is a big step up - you do not move onto the NEXT level of Validation unless you passed the last - Three.

In validation recap - again:
Is our Physics good - PASSED
Is it original concept - PASSED
Do we have IP protection - PASSED
Is our group reptualable - PASSED
DO we have the ability to make Business decsions - PASSED

Does the input and out put math the physic model - PASSED

Can the system run closed looped - PASSED

What are the reactions within the system and can it be scaled - IN preparation

You are simply a disinformationist - you try to confuse people to our progress.

Third - Secret Sauce - it wasn't secret sauce for the replications.....That is your word for things hard for you to agree with.

Complain that it takes to much effort OK, but secret sauce - that points to you.

It is fine with me if you ignore the truth - you waste your time making bogus claims against us, and using your issues an an excuse is bad form.

As before - I asked - are you going to put as much effort in supporting us - that will be the test of your character.

If you already know you do not have it in you - quit insulting the good people that do.
I will take your banter - I can handle it.
Wayne Travis

Wayne:

QuoteYou have dismissed everyone that has presented Data.

Which is the proof that you are in a philosophical debate with yourself.

I do physical testing - not philisophical.

Our physical system has been tested to confim to all physics - except the notion that it can not be done.

Multiple people have reported even here to the system - but a million people could present you with Data - and you will still struggle with your belief.

It is not my Job to make you a believer - it is my Job to share our advancement to physics - you are welcome to stay behind.

Again - Since our system conforms to basic and complex physics - which you can do yourself - make your own Data.
As I presented mine - you just say it is wrong - flawed or trickery.

You waste our time, and will until you decide which of your physics to believe.

Wayne Travis

QuoteFirst - what is that safety device in a steering wheel?

Second - We have working Demo models - which have been tested - the fact that you keep claiming otherwise is simple disinformation.

The NEXT Validation is a big step up - you do not move onto the NEXT level of Validation unless you passed the last - Three.

In validation recap - again:
Is our Physics good - PASSED
Is it original concept - PASSED
Do we have IP protection - PASSED
Is our group reptualable - PASSED
DO we have the ability to make Business decsions - PASSED

Does the input and out put math the physic model - PASSED

Can the system run closed looped - PASSED

What are the reactions within the system and can it be scaled - IN preparation

You are simply a disinformationist - you try to confuse people to our progress.

Third - Secret Sauce - it wasn't secret sauce for the replications.....That is your word for things hard for you to agree with.

Complain that it takes to much effort OK, but secret sauce - that points to you.

It is fine with me if you ignore the truth - you waste your time making bogus claims against us, and using your issues an an excuse is bad form.

As before - I asked - are you going to put as much effort in supporting us - that will be the test of your character.

If you already know you do not have it in you - quit insulting the good people that do.
I will take your banter - I can handle it.
Wayne Travis

I asked you, "What form will the power output be in and how will you measure it?  What equipment will you be using for the measurements with manufacturers' names and part numbers?"

And you generate all of the text above but you don't answer my very basic questions.  That says a lot about you and your hypothetical system.

Contributors to this thread:  My advice is to push Wayne and keep on pushing him for basic answers to basic questions, focusing always on his demos and the energy input and output measurements with all of the details.  That is supposedly what this whole thing is about.  Don't let Wayne or anybody else sway you from this fact and try to deflect you away from this.

If Wayne does some demos in the future and you don't get all of the relevant data about the input and output and how it was measured and what was used to make the measurements, etc, etc, then I would walk away from this whole thing.

If you can't get a straight answer to a straight question then there is a serious problem.

MileHigh

Milehigh,
Who needs pushing? You divert and double down.

I have answered openly and honestly - you again assert the outright lie by calling our system hypothetical and dismiss everyone.
you dismiss that we have answered your question.

You are welcome to the results of our validation - you may ask the validators how they measured.
Be of character and stop making up poop - until it is over.

You continue to disrespect me and others claiming we have a grand conspiracy an agenda - theft - and such.

We have not injured anyone - nor have we asked for money or investors - nor have we made false claims - you now try to pretend to protect people from a future threat..... did you give up on proving our replicators wrong?

Since you persist with your accusations - let me repeat what I have already stated repeatedly
We have the help - from the right people - already.

I am here explaining my patent - and who knows - maybe some of the people who read this site might be in a position to join our team one day - after the validation.

If that is a problem with you - it is your problem.

Bad form

Wayne

I asked you some straight questions on behalf of all of the readers of this thread and I am requesting some straight answers.

Are we supposed to assume that you have a system that produces free energy and you won't tell us how you measure it?