Quote from: konehead on July 10, 2012, 01:38:07 AM
people do use mullergenerator designs as motors, and do power cars with them, and power homes too.

Plain lie.
This is precisely what I don't like about people like you. In an effort to win an argument you are prepared to lie and make false statements.

Back to Muller's dynamo. 
DimaWari, I have not tried your SNNS setup but I do not think it's going to make any difference. A quick simulation shows that the resulting magnetic field (@coils core) will be the same as with a single magnet.
I still have my old Muller's setup and can easily try it.

Hey Avalon
I have seen pictures that Bill Muller showed me in person of an Alfa-Romero Montreal converted to run on a Muller motor/generator...so there is a car. 
A guy in Norway named robert I know presonally ran his mountain cabin on a rotovertor-Mullergen so there is the house.
Can you make list of the other poeple you know "like me" who lie to help win an argument with you?  Sounds like a personal problem you have, all those people lying to you! - maybe you should change your medications - try not taking the stupid pills in the morning eh.
How about a list of people who slander by calling people liars and fakes to start arguments and  for purpose to  make those people angry with you? 
You would be on top of list for that wouldnt you?.
I presonally got speed up under loading of genrator coils with a RomeroUK replication/variant,  becasue of the backing magnets behind the core.
so have others got speed up under loading of coils...that means Romero is not a fake, his information and design of Muller generator with backing magnets was honest. and good.

Quote from: konehead on July 10, 2012, 03:26:51 PM

I have seen pictures that Bill Muller showed me in person of an Alfa-Romero Montreal converted to run on a Muller motor/generator...so there is a car. 
A guy in Norway named robert I know presonally ran his mountain cabin on a rotovertor-Mullergen so there is the house.Can you make list of the other poeple you know "like me" who lie to help win an argument with you?

... and I know a guy named konehead who can't even spell 'people', let alone tell the difference between something real and fake.
Try using words with fewer syllables.

There is no car that runs on Muller's dynamo like there is no car that runs on EV Grey's motor. There were once promises to build them but it never happened .

There is (I am sure) a guy in Norway named Robert but I really doubt that he has a working power source of any kind. Rotoverters so far have failed to show any OU. It is simply an efficient way for running a motor (by trading off the shaft power). No-one (not even the hypothetical Robert) has a self-looping setup. It is always <-> this close but no-one can get there.

I tried RVs. I still have them in my garage. A couple of Baldors 5hp motors coupled together. A prime mover and an alternator setup which only requires 74W to run. It can even generate electricity very efficiently. Just not enough to self-sustain and hooking it up to Muller's dynamo only decreases its efficiency.  Hell, even hooking it up to a zero-cogging (supposedely Lenz-less) generator had no desired effect.

I am sure that we all would like to see anything real. I know I would. The trouble is that, sadly, it is not available. Not yet.
Ask yourself a question: why is it that after all this years we still do not have anything real that we all can replicate and use? Is it all because of the 'men in black' like your lying friend tells everybody, or is it because simply there isn't anything available?

Surely, if we have FBI's files on Tesla and MI-5's files on Hans Coller available to us nowadays than anything real, despite any opposition from anyone, would find its way to us by now as well. Or it will be available as a product (like Andrea Rossi's E-Cat).

You ask me why I keep on checking various sites? I hope to see something real for once. Call me an optimist but I am convinced that sooner or later someone will come up with something real and I would like to be present that day. I do not know when and who. I just know that it will not be someone who thinks that a little lie doesn't hurt anybody and, certainly, not someone who fakes results.

We do not need a prettier picture. We all need a real one. I hope you too.

Hi folks, Romeros device worked as he showed in his self running video.
As far as bullets and being a martyr, I can assure you folks, that fear is the only thing that will cause such.
Stay in the love vibration and nothing can harm one.
The outer so called reality, only exists, because many people feed it with their fear.
Though one being can alter their reality to one of unconditional love, though understand, you may still have other ones (MIB, etc.) trying to pull you back into their reality of fear, though once one sees the power one has to create their immediate reality in the now moment, these attempts will fade away.
Ironically, this information I share is of infinitely more value than any technology, because the natural creative power to manifest the reality one chooses, is the ultimate technology of the universe.
peace love light and much wisdom on your journeys.
tyson

Tyson:

No, the fact is that Romero's Mueller replication did not work as he showed in his self-running video.  People were way too gullible and the first question that they should have asked was to see a scope trace of the output of the common FWBR bus.  Why people were so gullible and jumped on the replication bandwagon without getting more data is beyond me.  If they had seen the scope trace of the output of the FWBR bus for the different speeds that Romero demoed his motor, it would have busted him right then and there.

The only reasonable explanation for how the motor was ostensibly driving the DC-to-DC converter from the output of the FWBR bus, even when the motor RPM was quite low, was that Romero was cheating and jacking extra power into the FWBR bus.  Note the output of the DC-to-DC converter was connected back to the power input of the motor to create the alleged "self looping."

Then Wattsup analyzed the video, starting with a lead from Woopy, and found the frames in the video that clearly showed that Romero was indeed jacking extra power into the FWBR bus.

Several months later on OUR I had the debate with Romero and he admitted that he cheated.

Quite honestly, the truth is more important than your idealism in this particular case.  Collective self-deception must be avoided at all costs.

MileHigh