Lets put it this way Rosie. If they move at light speed, how long do you think your battery charge will last with the electrons moving from the NEG post to the POS post, at light speed?   

Or a super capacitor, 3000 Farads at 2.3v, how is it going to keep the led lit for so long if the electrons escape to the POS side of the cap, through the lit led, at light speed?

Say we have a 16awg wire and we slice a pepperoni off the end 1 atom thick. How many atoms of copper could you possibly imagine there might be in that copper pepperoni?
Thats a lot of electrons to move, just in that 1 slice. Now stack those slices 100 atoms thick. 100 times more electrons to move, just 100 atoms thick. Compared to the AWG diameter of the copper disk, we need a whole lot more layers for the stack length to equal the 16awg width of the wire.


Its the speed of how a circuit reacts as a whole, that is what happens at the speed of light.  A wire from NY to Cali can transfer an ac signal because of chain reaction in the wire. A wave. Wave  Waveform positive negative pressure and decompression back and forth.

Like a wave in the ocean, out at sea. The ups are where pressure is applied, and the dips are depressurized. But just because that wave traveled 100 feet from your boat to my boat doesnt mean that the actual water molecules traveled from your boat to mine.

MaGs

Magsy,

Quote from: Magluvin on July 21, 2012, 12:26:52 AM
Lets put it this way Rosie. If they move at light speed, how long do you think your battery charge will last with the electrons moving from the NEG post to the POS post, at light speed?

Or a super capacitor, 3000 Farads at 2.3v, how is it going to keep the led lit for so long if the electrons escape to the POS side of the cap, through the lit led, at light speed?

Say we have a 16awg wire and we slice a pepperoni off the end 1 atom thick. How many atoms of copper could you possibly imagine there might be in that copper pepperoni?
Thats a lot of electrons to move, just in that 1 slice. Now stack those slices 100 atoms thick. 100 times more electrons to move, just 100 atoms thick. Compared to the AWG diameter of the copper disk, we need a whole lot more layers for the stack length to equal the 16awg width of the wire.


Its the speed of how a circuit reacts as a whole, that is what happens at the speed of light.  A wire from NY to Cali can transfer an ac signal because of chain reaction in the wire. A wave. Wave  Waveform positive negative pressure and decompression back and forth.

Like a wave in the ocean, out a sea. The ups are where pressure is applied, and the dips are depressurized. But just because that wave traveled 100 feet from your boat to my boat doesnt mean that the actual water molecules traveled from your boat to mine.

MaGs

It is my opinion which is supported by the measured evidence - that electrons do not move at light speed through a circuit.  I believe that some material outside of the atom and incidental to the electron - moves at twice the speed of light.  But that's my thesis.  The point being that IF one includes that 'field' AND it's particle - then we would have a reasonable explanation for the instantaneous property of electric energy.  And again.  It is NOT my theory.  I am only using Faraday's field theory.  And I'm theoretically proposing a particle to that field.  It would not conform to the standard model.  And it would yet reflect the required properties to answer ALL outstanding questions related to the 'missing particle' or the 'god particle' or 'Higgs boson'.  Or call it what you will. 

But it's not required that you buy into the concept.  On the contrary.  If you're happy that the standard model answers everything - then that's fine.  No-one is obliged to believe anything at all.  But leave it there Magsy.  I'm not about to discuss my thesis on this rather unfortunate thread.

Regards,
Rosie

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on July 21, 2012, 12:22:36 AM
My dear picowatt - YOU need to reread that thread and your own contributions.  And you really need to learn the trick of saying something new.  That is if you expect anyone at all to respect your opinions.

Rosie Pose

I have reread portions of that that thread, several times.  At least you have dropped the "offset argument" regarding how to read your 'scope.

Something new?  How does that "trick" change a fact.  I would indeed move on and speak to something new if you would ever provide the correct answer to my very first question and respond ethically by retracting the erroneous data related thereto.

If you value .99's and GL's genius, then why not ask them about Q1?

In FIG3, during the positive voltage portion of the FG cycle, approximately +12volts is indicated as being applied to the gate of Q1.  All will agree that +12 volts applied to the gate of Q1 will turn Q1 fully on.  Yet, during that same portion of the FG cycle, no significant current flow is indicated by the CSR trace as would be anticipated if Q1 were turned on.  This can only mean that Q1 is either non-functional or is not connected as per the schematic.

As well, in FIG6 and FIG7, sufficient gate drive is indicated to turn Q1 on while the CSR trace indicates no significant current flow.  Again, this can only mean that Q1 is non-functional or not connected as per the schematic.   

In FIG5, a capture from the month prior, approximately +5 volts is indicated as Q1 gate drive and, as expected, significant current flow is indicated by the CSR.

Moving on to "something new" and just pretending these facts will fade away does not address them at all...

I would say that when an electron jumps from one atom to the next, that the jump happens at light speed. that distance is very small But to say that some extra (say 500)electrons pumped into the wire from NY to Cali, and believe that it is those 500 electrons that made it to cali, bypassing all the other electrons in the cable is just silly. Those 500 electrons will be pumped into the beginning of the wire, applying pressure/tension in the wire. In Cali, 500 electrons that were sitting at the very end of the cable will be pumped out and thats it.

If we have a tube the size of a quarter(US 25cent piece) roll from US to you and it is filled with quarters, from me to you. If I push 10 quarters in my end, 10 quarters will fall out at your end, instantly. But my quarters didnt travel at light speed. But you received what I sent, at virtually the speed of light. Is that so hard to believe?

This new theory you have. Have you seen it? Measured it?

Mags

Quote from: Magluvin on July 21, 2012, 01:11:45 AM
I would say that when an electron jumps from one atom to the next, that the jump happens at light speed. that distance is very small But to say that some extra (say 500)electrons pumped into the wire from NY to Cali, and believe that it is those 500 electrons that made it to cali, bypassing all the other electrons in the cable is just silly. Those 500 electrons will be pumped into the beginning of the wire, applying pressure/tension in the wire. In Cali, 500 electrons that were sitting at the very end of the cable will be pumped out and thats it.

If we have a tube the size of a quarter(US 25cent piece) roll from US to you and it is filled with quarters, from me to you. If I push 10 quarters in my end, 10 quarters will fall out at your end, instantly. But my quarters didnt travel at light speed. But you received what I sent, at virtually the speed of light. Is that so hard to believe?

Yes it's hard to believe.  If you push 10 quarters in at one end then DOWN THAT LINE ten quarters need to be replaced - one, by one, by one.  No other way to complete that journey.  And that speed is NOT at light speed.  It is measurably SLOWER.  That's NOT my argument.  That's our EXPERTS.  And they really do know how to measure this. So.  If you choose to believe this - then, frankly, you're on your own.  But feel free.  No-one is prescribing beliefs.  It's just that belief has nothing to do with science.

Quote from: Magluvin on July 21, 2012, 01:11:45 AMThis new theory you have. Have you seen it? Measured it?

YES INDEED.  We've measured it in both our COP>17 tests and in our NERD circuits.  And we've reconciled it with the mass size ratio of the proton to the electron.  We've argued it as a field - and we've used self-consistent arguments THROUGHOUT.

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Here's the multiple proof...
It reconciles the mass size ratio of the proton to the electron
It reconciles the Casimir effect
It reconciles the gravitational force
It answers to the requirement of missing matter measured by our astrophysicists
It conforms to the non-standard properties of the Higgs Boson
It reconciles all the forces
It conforms to known physical principles
It conforms to the composite structure proposed in the protons
It introduces the concept of a fundamental particle as the basis of all particles as required by our particle physicists
It conforms IN WHOLE AND IN PART to the requirement of our string theorists.

That's not a bad start.

Rosie
added...It conforms IN WHOLE AND IN PART to the requirement of our string theorists.