@MH: Maybe ... we should all be made to wear ear phones.......

Something is definitely happening here but I don't know what it is....... do I, Mr.... er.... Wayne.

From the web page http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives (see entry from August 13, 2012) we learn:

Presentation - we have moved our presentation (trial run) to this Friday at 7:00

May be Mr. Wayne will tell us after the "trial run on Friday" how long the machine worked and how much power it put out during it's working period?


From the web page http://hydroenergyrevolution.com/index.php/current-objectives (see entry from August 13, 2012) we also learn:

a lot of very smart people are working hard for us and for their own curiosity

May be one of these smart people can tell us after the "trial run on Friday" two very simple numbers: continuous run time and approximate power output?


After so many pages of "guarded explanations" and "world saving promises" by Mr. Wayne it becomes frustrating and annoying. Yes, he has no obligation to disclose anything. But what is his message?

As far as I understand Mr. Wayne's message: "There is an OU machine, but I can not show you a working machine and I can not tell you how it works and I can not tell you how much net power it puts out, please replicate it."

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: Yes, I am frustrated and annoyed and my post is not nice.

OK, enough for the musical interlude already.

Fletcher said,

QuoteI do believe that Mr Wayne is completely sincere in his beliefs & that is the motivation for his sharing what he can now.

And that is my provisional stance as well, even though I agree with pretty much all of what MH has been saying. I believe MrWayne to be sincere and willing to help us "straights" understand his system, if that is really his goal. I might not be convinced that he is _right_ about what he's sincere about, but lots of people aren't, and I don't generally hold that against them.

MrWayne said,

QuoteI will repeat what I have said - our current single unit is barely better than a hydraulic cylinder - you can measure the input and output  - we do not use weight - but volume and pressure. Yes - our three layer system is clearly overunity by itself.
In this small model - hooking the system together bumps us up by reducing the input further.

So OK, can we please just for a moment concentrate on a single Zed that shows overunity, and not get sidetracked into talking about the full system with high pressures and accumulators and all that?  Let's be specific: let's only, for the moment, discuss the three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself.

When most of us on this site talk about overunity performance, we are talking about a system that outputs more energy than is input, averaged over a suitable time period. This is distinct from "power" or average power, which might seem like the same thing but really isn't.
Energy is measured, in the system most of us use, the SI, in Joules. The units of Joules are also equivalent to the units of Work, that is, force x distance.
Now... for your statement that "the three layer system is clearly overunity by itself" to be credible, that "overunity" part MUST involve some input-output comparison, a comparison of energies or work. Otherwise... how can you justify the "overunity" part of the claim? If you are defining it the same way most of us do, you have got to at least know the input and output energies. But... if you are defining it some other way, we need to know what that is and to agree that it is a valid definition for the purpose.

So... referring now ONLY to the three layer, clearly overunity by itself system....

Go ahead and set it up, you can have this for free. Now it's sitting there, precharged,  waiting to be started up. Right?
And the various pressures, water heights, cylinder positions and so on are known, can be measured. Right?
Now, you start it up and run it through a _complete cycle_. OK? A complete cycle means just that: everything back where it started from, ready to lather rinse and repeat.

How did you start it? How can you tell it's running, what happens at the "peak" of the cycle? And what is required to bring it back to the _identical start position_, including all pressures, fluid quantities, cylinder positions, etc so that it can start over? Describe this please, in your own words that you understand, and please tell us how you arrived at the "overunity" conclusion based on a single cycle, complete, of the three layer clearly overunity system.

Once you have described this in your own words, let's then see if we can translate that into the language of engineering: simply work in, and work out, in Joules.

Please notice that I am NOT asking "how" it does anything. I am just still wanting to know _what_ it does.

Quote from: see3d on August 13, 2012, 10:48:20 PM
I am still laughing -- you made my day!
We all live in a virtual submarine...

and our friends
are all aboard
many more of them
live next door.....

(cue gurgling sounds....)

If I may; Mrwayne will correct if I'm wrong but I think this statement means that fluid is entering and leaving the output stage, not the ZED.

Quote
Thanks, I have covered the input and output - very short on our current Data model  -
IN -PUT = Each full cycle - 12-15 cubic inches of compressed fluid from the accumulator.
OUT - PUT = Same cycle - 28 -30 cubic inches of (same type) compressed fluid - pushed into accumulator.
The pressure depends on our desire no less than 500psi, no higher than 900psi.
Please remember the input comes from with in the loop of our system.
Wayne

The ZEDs continue to contain the same volume of air / water. The "extra" 15 ci of compressed fluid is cycled through the hydraulic motor to generate electricity.
Dale