Quote from: mrwayne on August 14, 2012, 10:16:27 AM
I posted these to help clear up the redundancy that the thread has to the input and output question.
We have nothing external coming in - as I have said before Normal calculations of input versus out put have to be re thought -

Internal input and external output can be measured.

Maybe this will help.

thanks Wayne

Sorry, Mr. Wayne, it does not help. You say that "internal input and external output can be measured", so please tell us

how long the machine can run (by itself without human intervention)

and how much external output there is? (I understand that there is no input, so only the output has to be measured.)

Greetings, Conrad

Simple explanation of energy advantage.

Shown is 3 systems, each create a 7 Foot Water Head. Each system uses a 100# weight as force, but each applies that weight over different distances.

Half filled U shaped column reduces the distance to apply force. Each additional U shaped columns further reduces the distance to apply the same force.

It doesn't account for air compression, but a water, mercury wouldn't have compression and mercury weight advantage over water is 13.534 to 1.0. Thinking Travismobile.

Also, if the piston was removed after stroke, the 3 U version would re-balance first, the 2 U second and the 1 U last.

Regards, Larry

What are these items? Do they appear on any of the patent drawings or the other illustrations we have been given?

In order to clarify my question about the output of the Wayne-Machine I indicated on the drawing (supplied by Mr. Wayne) which output I would like to know.

As a bonus, Mr. Wayne could also tell us how long the machine can run without human intervention.

In simpler terms: is it running by itself? And when it is running by itself, how much energy is put out by the "Gen"?

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: conradelektro on August 14, 2012, 02:16:57 PM
Sorry, Mr. Wayne, it does not help. You say that "internal input and external output can be measured", so please tell us

how long the machine can run (by itself without human intervention)

and how much external output there is? (I understand that there is no input, so only the output has to be measured.)

Greetings, Conrad

Hello Again Conrad - I still appreciate the wisdom you added last year - rough - but wise.
Short answer - it ran until we broke it back in November - we bled off the excess.
Short answer - the system was designed for 500watts - total - it took 300watts to keep running - we only have 36 watts after conversion to electricity.
More:
We bleed the excess off  through a hydraulic motor - which we use to turn a generator - which we then use to burn a light bulb.

This system was never built to be a continuous runner - but we try to satisfy that curiosity. I made the mistake of believing the engineers would believe the enginners........

Mark was here when we were running (November)
Before we added all of the data collection and systems to it - we ran well - just bleeding the excess off - until we broke several parts  due to the layman building and the pressures we were dealing with.

After Mark left - we moved it inside and worked to convert the self runner into a Data collection model.

Its sole purpose has been to compare the actual to the model - for our benefit. I regret this when someone want to come measure the input and output - it is harder now.

And - The change has been problematic - two reasons.

We added a hydraulic motor and generator instead of wasting the production - this added new losses - big losses (for a simple system).

And we learned that the accumulator nearly refused - to receive production and supply it at the same time - since the input and output were simultaneous - the production would divert to the lever arm and not to the accumulator - or the generator would speed up instead of pushing into the accumulator.

This has been the big delay - we think we have solved it - Good side - it has given our team more time - they have used it wisely.
Right now we are ramping back up to run - if possible - I am not convinced I can make the original system handle all of the additions that have been added to it.

It will serve to verify the Engineers data - it is perfect for that.
Lastly - If I had known the loop I have been thru - lessons learned so far - I would have had the system optimized first - from our original input output test model.

The delays would have been over long ago.

Wayne