tk,
compression slows the flow.

Quote from: powercat on August 17, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
A lot of members here have great respect for TK logic and due diligence when it comes to claims of over unity
So it is not just TK that your answering but the people like myself whos understanding of science is limited.
I say this now because I feel there is a slight resentment in your response, I do hope this is not the case
and you will continue to answer TK questions as best you can.

After all we're all looking for the same thing "Free energy that is self-running"

I respect all people - I have respect for both the strengths and the weakness of others.

I am certainly not in a position to cast dispersions on others.

I presumed from the beginning that the members of this group were here for that - a brighter future, clean air, freeenergy.

On that note - here on this site - I have had to deal with many very angry people, many arrogant, many rude, and many that lie - for a motive beyond my understanding.

Since I began sharing our discovery maybe 33 pages of people trying to force, beat or pry something out of me to further their claims of disbelief.

They lump me in with all the previous failures - the frustration, anger, ignorance, belongs to those of the past - blaming me - is wrong.

The problem is - and will be to those people - I am telling the truth - verified by many now.

The independent replications are awesome - they are more powerful than anything I could say.

If I have a frustration - and I hope I don't - it isn't that people here are  not willing, intelligent, helpful, it is that some people demand and want things handed to them ..... hand outs don't work.

I have yet to have a person value the system I have - when it was handed to them.

I do understand that what I say seems like "claims" and that is presumed by some to think I am challenging them.

Well I have challenged some - check for yourself or have someone you trust help - those that do - win the challenge when they discover for themself.

Larry, Se3d and others are trying to help. TK is sharp - I admire that - I am not going to tell him how to do his work - nor will I allow him to direct mine. He is a good man, I have heard it from many.

p.s. I love TK logic as well - maybe he is already at the end - and is holding back - but until he represents to me an understanding of the basics - I am not interested spending the time on the external apparatus.

One thing should be clear to all -Hounding does not help me explain things better, and does not encourage me to help..... I am at a bit of a loss - so I forgive and move on.

Just as you say others are better at this than me too.

I am so glad, and feel blessed and honored that some of those that have replicated - have come and visited, and a few have
shared here.

Thank you for your comment - I will try to be more careful in my responses.

Remember - I answer more questions privately at mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com

Good night.
Wayne Travis

Quote from: LarryC on August 17, 2012, 06:11:16 PM
The Riser's don't float up, they work like a pneumatic cylinder. See the first Picture. The attached drawing show how pneumatic cylinders using the same Psi and dimension replicate the Outer Riser and the next Inner Riser lift force.

Regards, Larry

Why is the floating object in see3d's sim called a riser, and why is it shown floating up? It rises due to floating, not due to pneumatic pressure, unless I am greatly misinterpreting his sim.

Quote from: johnny874 on August 17, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
  tk,
compression slows the flow.

May I quote you on that? 

It certainly seems that in my air compressor, for example, the higher the compression, the faster the flow out the nozzle or tool or spraygun. On the other hand, within the flow itself, an increased flow causes decreased pressure in the flow. These two Italian guys named Bernoulli and Venturi figured this stuff out a couple of years ago, I think.

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 17, 2012, 07:53:12 PM
Why is the floating object in see3d's sim called a riser, and why is it shown floating up? It rises due to floating, not due to pneumatic pressure, unless I am greatly misinterpreting his sim.

I called it a Riser, because it moves and the Tank does not move.  Since my initial state is sunk, it is also called a Riser, because the "power" stroke is rising up.  I guess I could have called it a sinker, since it sinks with no inputs.  I don't even remember if I picked up the term from someone else.  I would not call it a floater though... LOL.  What difference does it really make?  A rose by any other name.

There are two ways of looking at it.  Is it floating up, or a pneumatic cylinder?  This is a hybrid device.  It has aspects of both, and that is what makes it harder to understand.  Looking at the transfer curves, depending on the state, it could look like either.  That is part of my problem -- trying to make sure I have the theory correct much less getting rid of typos in my formulas.