Good Morning - TK
I see we are back to sending questions sent to you by others.....

Webby is right, this has been answered and answered. - might be good to confuse a newcomer.

This time though  - especially with the photo -  I would call dredging - looking for a dead body - or hoping something will stick.

Guilty until proven innocent - even if we have to dig a body up - a crime must have been committed - that is what your Friends believe - let them due their due diligence's.
To ALL:
The ZED can run completely without electronics - remember the only thing needed is a way to change direction of the hydro assist.

Starting and stopping the system is as simple as blocking the the flow at any point - and opening it - you can do it with a manual valve or electronic. - this is not a momentum system.

That model - the closed looped model from last November - was not running a Generator - and the energy to turn the directional valve and power the five sensors is discussed in Mark's Video - and yes that energy was accounted for.

As I shared before - Mark and I spent the entire day (before the video that is being referenced) completely evacuating the system - and completely resetting it - counting for every scrap of energy - even filling the tank with water.
He spent the next entire day going over the engineering and design.
P.s Mark is really sharp - these people who are discrediting him by these claims of extension cords - not so much...

When you see us walk up and start the machine - it was the next day - early in the morning - (yes we had run it that same night) it is just the camera did not record well in the dark.

The primary purpose of our Unitronics Human machine interface - was to track pressures during a run cycle.

Back to "The picture...."

The clear plastic bleed hose (you were told extension cord) attached to the other hydraulic cylinder.. I used for venting/bleeding air out of the hydraulics is close looped to the reservoir.
Originally I climbed on top of the ZED - carried a bucket and drained the air out of the system - after several messes - eventually I hooked up series of clear hose in a loop returning to the tank.
When I built the next system - I lowered the hydraulics to make it easier to trap and vent air - currently we do not have any air trapping in the system (YEAH!)

If you look at the "Tree" when Mark points it out - laughingly,  you can see the clear hoses better and the manual valves.
TK, Here is where I take offense to who ever is feeding you this clear and intentional lie - the photo you show is the only angle that makes the hose look like it is coming from the building - the same hose can be seen in several other shots as being connected to the other cylinder with more shut off valves between both ends. Please use your Koala brain to thinkabout that and the intention for a bit - you have defended these people several times - it is not good form.

My conclusion of this round - it is intentional misinformation being spread to you - and you shared it - thanks for clearing it up for others. I could be wrong - but it seems you are being used..... by an intentional liar.

The Laughable point - don't ya thing Mark would have Noticed a power cord running from the shop as your friend claimed?

p.s

The whole system was on a concrete pad - elevated about 24 inches off the pad with blocks to give access to the entire system.

@ ALL

I want you all to remember one thing:

I asked you to replicate and discover for yourself - I even offered to fund the experiments and have some, and will others.

At the same time three unprofessional men have vowed to try to take me down regardless... some call them skeptics even defend their attacks - I differ in that opinion.
A true "Skeptic" seeks the truth to protect all - these three men are spreading lies, you all know who they are. Currently they are trying to associate me with people of poor character.

I am praying for them, eventually they will learn that our system is real - in this world with a history of errors and scammers.
They will see the benefit our system has to the world, I hope they use the same energy to tell the truth.... I can hope for them.

@TK, I like skeptics, I was honored Mark came - when he told me that it would take him ..on average ..two hours to show me my error - I said - "I would rather know my error that to be misled - or to misled others". He did not - and he shared this with many others. We are still in testing - His final report will be out in due time.

I do understand that some men lie to support their vendetta.... I would appreciate you looking at them with the same eye... you do me.
Some men have done their due diligence - without due diligence - making conclusions is beneath the lowest position of a Skeptic.

Please help keep that important position - a true skeptic... one that can be trusted.

Wayne

Quote from: TinselKoala on August 25, 2012, 01:53:09 AM
In the short video from Mark Dansie linked a few pages back, the system is started by operating an electronic control panel. This panel is clearly active before the system starts running. So... please correct me if I'm wrong... the electric control system is running off of batteries that are charged and kept charged by the output of the 500 watt PMA . Right?   
I have been under the impression that the machine would run continuously until it was deliberately shut off. In other words, it could run unassisted by outside power for days, right?
Am I right about this?
Can we please know just what the maximum run time has been, so far, for the device that Mark D. shows in that last video? Minutes, hours, days?  How long has it run for, maximum, from starting it up by pushing the button, adding nothing, subtracting nothing but the electrical power used to charge its batteries, until it stops or is stopped?

No, - we did not run a generator back then.
No, that machine was not designed to run indefinatley - like Webby's model but bigger and then we close looped it - like the $10K  challnge I have right now.

That system was to account for energy in and out - in all forms - since none of the forms of energy "out" was used to produce electriciy - the battery would have died.
Yes, If the system used mechanical valves to change directon - it could have run until it broke - which is what we did - three times.
No, I am not sharing run Data with aynone, until we have the system ready to be released - tested and scrutinized which will begin when Mark advises we are ready.
A point for clarity - I designed the system from my theory to be 500 watts - so that after all losses I could generate excess power.
Next, the video of that model was to show the system running under its own power - and more importantly -  that the water and air put in the system during precharge -  did not get consumed.
It was a hard thing for people to wrap thier minds around  the idea that once the system was charged - no new energy needed to be put in to run continuously.

Thanks
Wayne

What is the longest time that the system has run?

What is the power source for the electrical panel in the video?


Two simple questions, nothing implied or inferred. Two simple questions, answerable by two simple declarative sentences.

"The electrical power running the panel and the controls in that video came from .......  and the wire that you indicate in the picture is ......".

"The longest we have been able to run for is ...... hours, or ..... days.".


Yet you choose to provide another half page of innuendo about me and my motives-- which you don't understand at all --- and you choose AGAIN to dodge the questions.

You have said that you have a simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself -- your own exact words. I have asked you REPEATEDLY how this clear overunity is determined for this simple system and what is the input work and output work for this simple clearly overunity by itself system. I have asked you this question about nine times now, and you have not deigned to answer.

And now it is clear that you are not going to tell me the longest running time, or where the electrical power comes from or what that wire is in the picture.

So I feel very free to make my own INFERENCES, from your lack of straightforward responses to these simple questions.

Simple questions, which, in spite of all your protests, you have NEVER answered.


OK, then tell me this much: Are you refusing to answer me because you don't know the answers, or because the answers might be embarrassing, or reveal too much, or perhaps they are just too MUCH TROUBLE for you to answer, about the machine that overturns hundreds of years of WORK by many other people, destroys thousands of careers, sets thermodynamics on its head?

Every time I ask a simple straight question that I think you should be EAGER and WILLING to answer..... you dodge it and start your attacks on my motivations and character, coming perilously close to the paranoia that people like johnny874 exhibit when challenged on their claims.

You can BET YOUR CYNICAL TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS that if I claimed to have what you have I'd be able and willing to answer these simple questions IN SIMPLE DECLARATIVE SENTENCES. Not paragraphs and pages of character attacks.... which only indicate that you either DO NOT HAVE the answers I request or that you DO NOT WANT to answer them for some reason. In which case, a simple declarative sentence to that effect would have sufficed.

QuoteNo, I am not sharing run Data with aynone,

Ok, that was an honest answer, so I will stop asking you for the all-important run data.




How would everybody respond if I refused to tell you how long my Perpetual Water Pump runs for? It runs for a LONG time..... and the larger and taller the reservoirs the longer it will run. With NO electrical input power at all, not even to start it. But no.... I'll not give you the critical information you need to determine if it's worth overturning science or not..... just pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at all.

ETA: Your allegation that somebody is "feeding" me or telling me things to ask you about is a great insult to me.  But I'm used to being insulted when I start asking the right questions. Just like Chief Inspector Morse.... when somebody doesn't want to discuss something, that makes me want to discuss it all the more.

QuoteThe Laughable point - don't ya thing Mark would have Noticed a power cord running from the shop as your friend claimed?

The laughable point right now is that you seem to be claiming that it _did_ have external power for the control system.... you say this one had no generator, no batteries charged by its own running.... but you are also saying that Mark would have noticed the power supply cord if there was one.

So where does the power for the control system come from?  It's another simple question that you find hard to answer with a simple declarative sentence: "The power for the control system and sensors in that unit comes from the shop, it comes in by the yellow extension cord " or whatever "that can be seen here" pointing it out in a photo.

You KNOW I'd do this much for you, I hope.

And just because several people see the same holes in your story does not mean that they are working together in some big conspiracy against you. The only information about you and your system that I have been "fed" is that its longest run time so far has been a few hours.... and that information came from somebody you have had on-site -- NOT from one of my skeptical "friends", whoever they are. And I've asked you directly if this information is correct or not.... and your answer is that you will not share run data.

TK,
I must be tired - because your questions have been answered.
Wayne