i didn't say he would be... you are the one making assumptions...
reasonably? well... then using reason, demonstrate it. simply stating it doesn't make it so. nor does it convince me.

The world is not as his paper describes it could be... I don't see what is so unreasonable about the assumption that B would want more measures.

"The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true.

So, it's true in your mind. EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others. Is that more clear for you, now?

You're really disagreeable, bro. Since the start of the conversation you've been nothing but rude and made nothing but false accusations. I don't exchange with that type of person; even if your accusations had been true. So, I wish you the best... and I hope you enjoy the socialist paradise people like B will be providing to you very soon.

Just one quick correction. "EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others." Sorry, my response here doesn't really reflect the quote. B says that the man who invests his savings in a concern which goes bankrupt hurts himself and others. It isn't true because loss of savings doesn't always mean harm.

Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
The world is not as his paper describes it could be... I don't see what is so unreasonable about the assumption that B would want more measures.

and the world is not as your opinion assumes it to be. so that's a no then, you don't have a cogent argument to substantiate your opinion.

Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
"The man who invests his savings in a concern that goes bankrupt is therefore injuring others as well as himself." I don't see this as true.

So, it's true in your mind. EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others. Is that more clear for you, now?

your error and contradiction was clear from the start.

Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 08:27:46 AM
You're really disagreeable, bro. Since the start of the conversation you've been nothing but rude and made nothing but false accusations. I don't exchange with that type of person; even if your accusations had been true. So, I wish you the best... and I hope you enjoy the socialist paradise people like B will be providing to you very soon.

you're really pretentious and sanctimonious... and i'm not your "bro"... since the start of the conversation, you have been assuming, disparaging, lying and misrepresenting.
furthermore, i haven't made ANY false accusations... YOU have.

the main points of bertrand's essay are that:
1 industrial revolution has made massive amounts of work very easy.
2 massive amounts of work that used to be the domain of humans can now be done with machines.
3 it used to take 8-12 hours (or more) a day to get the necessary work done before machines.
4 it still takes 8-12 after machines... something stinks in denmark...
5 working 8-12 hours when machines have been made to ease our workload ISN'T PROGRESS.
6 this is foolish. but we don't have to continue being foolish...

and you come in here with your 'rand inspired' political agenda trying to paint him as a pinko commie bastard...   your various logically fallacious replies are laughable... as is your naivety. you are aware that a completely free market, ie: rand's 'laissez-faire state', has never existed right?

as an aside, wouldn't it be more specific if your name was "howard roark's critics"? because... just like his critics, you insist that adherence to and reverence for historical convention is essential.

Quote from: HowardRoark on September 04, 2012, 12:15:11 PM
Just one quick correction. "EVERY man who invests and goes bankrupt is therefore injuring himself and others." Sorry, my response here doesn't really reflect the quote. B says that the man who invests his savings in a concern which goes bankrupt hurts himself and others. It isn't true because loss of savings doesn't always mean harm.

how asinine can you be?  if someone's concern goes bankrupt. it harms people. ie: if my roommate's employer goes bankrupt. it harms him, it harms my roommate and it harms me... along with numerous other connected persons such as... the family of my roommates employer...  etc. etc.

don't be so naive...

  What happens if: you work hard all your life, save your money and put it in the bank, then the bank declares that they are bankrupt, and can't provide you with your hard earned  dollars?  This has already happened, at least here where I live, and could happen again. Anything that you own can also be stolen from you, in a flash. Is there a solution? 
  Gold, silver, etz... are very easy to have taken or stolen from you also, and you're left with,  nothing.
At least owning your own property, or lot,  are less likely to be lost, and you can grow your own food, have your own house. As was done in places like Cuba, and in many other countries, where money did not exist, or was worthless, or just not to be had. They survived. We can do more than just survive, but, those that don't head the call,  well...  it's a tough call, all in all, but, there is still some time to get it together.  I hope...