Sorry, I forgot...

The rain gage reads between 40.12 and 41.92mm on the ID with the verniers.  It's made out of glass and from China...  I have no idea what the real volumes would be down at the bottom.

Is this why I need a digital mass scale?

M.

Please find attached a picture from the 'Travis Water Height calculator based on Outer Retainer Water Drop Single Top 5 U. So it is a single top plate with 5 U's. Also added a few new fields:
1. At J3 Pod Retainer Water Drop value, as I realized that some may not know to take the Pod Retainer water height from the Ideal section and subtracting the Pod Retainer water height from the Outside Ret. Water Drop Section to know how much to drop your pod retainer water height to meet that PSI and lift value.
2. In the Channel Si Calculation section at the bottom the values for Total Water Volume and Total Water Volume Weight in Lb was added as requested by a replicator.

Those who are working with a single top 5 U please review and let me know of any problems.
Also, If any want a single top 4 U or 3 U please PM.

@Neptune,

I totally disagree that you are the village idiot. Your insight and wisdom has been very helpful to me and others.

I find your bravery to post in the face of the hostility, antagonistic, dogmatic and mind game attitudes of some, very admirable. From the PM's to me that is the reason we don't have many more posting directly here.

Thanks, for your excellent response to TK and feel free anytime.

Regards, Larry 

Quote from: neptune on September 07, 2012, 05:22:36 PM
@TK. Water exits a Zed and enters a convoluted rubber bag or bellows. This is mechanically linked to a second bag, so that as the first bag expands, it squeezes the second bag. Thus the exhaust of the first Zed helps to charge the second Zed . When equilibrium is reached, and the pressures in the two Zeds are equal, this expanding and squeezing would stop. But is then it is forced to continue by a hydraulic ram powered from the systems hydraulic accumulator . So the waters of the Two Zeds are kept separate.

Thank you, that is the way I thought it was plumbed. So what is the point of LarryC's drawing that shows water being transferred between his simplified Zeds? Gratuitous obfuscation?

It seems to me to be a rather different system than what you are talking about. And I thought, from somebody's description earlier, that it was this "excess" water or its pressure, translated through the mechanics and the hydraulics, that provided the hydraulic "assist" in the first place? It still seems that all explanations eventually fall back to "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps". I'm still worried about how, if A=B and C=B, yet C =/= A.

And I'm also worried about the system that wasn't working right, the asymmetric system in the video from Mark D... If a single Zed is only 105 percent efficient and the two Zeds weren't working symmetrically.... how you can possibly get OU from the pair? If they both need to be able to make 105 percent OU for the combo to make 160 percent, or whatever the number was.... and one isn't working up to its full 105 percent... and in fact is considerably below that from the sound of things in the video..... how does the other unit make up the difference, if it, working alone, could make 105 percent? Not only do the Zeds not seem to be transitive, but they also seem to be able to read each other's minds and make up for deficits in their partners.

Quote from: mondrasek on September 07, 2012, 06:07:52 PM
Sorry, I forgot...

The rain gage reads between 40.12 and 40.92mm on the ID with the verniers.  It's made out of glass and from China...  I have no idea what the real volumes would be down at the bottom.

Is this why I need a digital mass scale?

M.

Well... you can calibrate the raingauge without a digital scale, can't you? Got a syringe somewhere that's marked in mL?

By the way, I have a Sartorius 1106 lab scale that I will sell cheap. It's had some wear and tear, a replaced power switch, but works fine. 200 g range, 10 mg resolution. I also have a Mettler H10 analytical balance, in good condition, some cosmetic rash but fully functional. 160 g capacity and resolution below one milligram. This will cost a bit to ship properly but I'll also let it go cheap. Make an offer if interested.

However for the present purposes a simple "Chicago Electric" Chinese digital household scale, for twenty bux from Harbor Freight, would be sufficiently accurate enough I think. And a good fisherman's spring scale that could be modified to read pushes instead of pulls, by a simple lever system, would also be useful to the experimenters here, I think.

Quote from: TinselKoala on September 07, 2012, 06:31:52 PM
Well... you can calibrate the raingauge without a digital scale, can't you? Got a syringe somewhere that's marked in mL?

Okay.  I might be able to do that.

Quote from: TinselKoala on September 07, 2012, 06:31:52 PM
However for the present purposes a simple "Chicago Electric" Chinese digital household scale, for twenty bux from Harbor Freight, would be sufficiently accurate enough I think. And a good fisherman's spring scale that could be modified to read pushes instead of pulls, by a simple lever system, would also be useful to the experimenters here, I think.

I know, alright?  I've checked it out on-line a couple days ago.

But I'm supposed to be on vacation.  You know, that one week a year you can just relax?  But so far it has not been a stellar start.  I've got 680 miles to drive in the morning and the wife and child are not even home from "perparing" yet.  So I'm a bit stressed on the front end of my supposed relaxation time so far.

Please switch to decaf for the moment.  I only posted what I did in an effort to help with what I could while I could.  I'm not happy with the resolution or the accuracy of any of it.  Just thought it would be better than posting nothing for the next week.

M.