Quote from: TinselKoala on September 20, 2012, 07:29:25 AM

Come on, Red, are you really going to start playing semantics games at this late date?

OF COURSE MrWayne is claiming to create energy with this system. EVERY TIME he says that it will run itself with no input power and make useful output power, 36 watts running lights, remember....EVERY TIME he claims excess efficiency over 100 percent... EVERY TIME he makes those claims he is claiming to create energy or excess work, same thing.

Judge for yourself... is MrWayne saying he has 160 percent efficiency... or are we fishing for eels with a coarse net once again?

Quote from Objectives page of HydroGenRev

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"Research and development" The Newly designed Input system replaces the bag system - we have two in testing - the testing is verifying the spread sheets, and the results are confirming the theory.

This new input system utilizes the lateral gravitational function of our ZED, does not produce work - just changes the condition and usage of the mass and density of our input

- or in simple simple terms - it nearly eliminates the input cost to our ZED. With this replacing the bag system - instead of using the production to run the system - almost all of the production is NET - that is a big monumental discovery in itself. When you say 160% efficient - you only have 60 percent to provide to the customer - but with this improvement - we will have most of the 160% to provide to the consumer - that is more than twice as much NET form the same system. As you can tell - we are all really excited about this.

http://mrwaynesbrain.com/index.php/current-objectives

"lateral gravitational function" - it seems Mr Wayne left this important tid bit out of his last explanation post !

Quote from: powercat on September 20, 2012, 07:19:09 PM
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To Wayne, just get on with the demo.As I stated before, I have no time frame but as time goes on confidence will diminish. I have not signed of but at this stage a think a little more breathing room is warranted. Kind RegardsMark Dansie
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Any news Wayne ??

Hello Powercat,
I received several e-mails confused by your message - as if you were pretending to be Mark Dansie.
At first glance I was confused also - but now I realize you were just quoting Mark and then asking for any "New news".
New News:
Lots of good news: Please remember this is not our business outlet, or our process improvement outlet.
I answer private e-mails every morning for about an hour.
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com
Wayne Travis

Quote from: fletcher on September 20, 2012, 06:52:01 PM
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For a device such as MR Wayne's to work as claimed it must be producing asymmetric FORCES - this is not the same as asymmetric ENERGY.
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Mr Wayne has given some clear pointers which as testable - they are the tenets of his claims - each step should be proved beyond doubt before advancing to the next line of inquiry.

Good Morning Fletcher,

AFAIK, the symmetry of the universe is pretty much universal, which led to the thermodynamics laws and associated others.
The symmetry is the reason why we can not extract energy out of several conservative fields, which we would like to do for OU or FE. Tapping another abundant (non-conservative) source other than sunlight would be also preferable but there are not too many of those around.

So it must be evident that an OU invention that draws energy out of a conservative field must have the ability to tamper with the symmetry to tap into the energy.  AFAIK there is no law that forbids or make it impossible to tamper with the symmetry ?   As far as I remember, the law only makes it impossible (forbids) to extract energy out of the system so long the symmetry exists (that is what you, Seamus and TK are saying and fore sure you are all correct) .
But as far as I remember, the law does not makes it impossible (or forbids) to extract energy out of a system  when the symmetry DOES NOT EXIST, let it be a temporary window. (For Pete sake, you are on a OU forum that tries to break into OU, it is hard to let go of old ways and habits)

It is IMPOSSIBLE to break the symmetry ?. You are correct until somebody does break it and then it is no longer impossible.
Rest assured, Wayne did it, he discovered the loophole!
 
This should have been called "The OU Challenge" from the start (Seamus, your US$50.000 is still on offer ?).  Breaking the symmetry & real OU is major and believing is even more difficult.   Wayne's proof would never have absolutely satisfied you, (how could Saddam prove that he DIDN"T have weapons of mass destruction?). The evidence it too incredible to believe, but if you can unearth and discover it yourself. (believe me, it would be a line, hook and sinker.)

History is the best proof and history tends to repeat itself.  I always believed after reading about the multitude of FE attempts through the centuries that the solution must be so simple and so ingenious that the simplicity itself prevents its discovery, not its complexity.

Wayne gave all the pointers in this forum the way "little red riding hood did in the forest", these pointers should lead to the pot of honey.  For you that you haven't discovered it as yet, doesn't that witness to how ingeniously it is hidden, I would think so. But believe me, when you get to the honey, it is good !

Look again carefully, keep on asking questions every step of the way, why, how?

Regards, Michel

Ooops, a BooBo

Quote from: mrwayne on September 20, 2012, 11:14:22 PM

Hello Powercat,
I received several e-mails confused by your message - as if you were pretending to be Mark Dansie.
At first glance I was confused also - but now I realize you were just quoting Mark and then asking for any "New news".
New News:
Lots of good news: Please remember this is not our business outlet, or our process improvement outlet.
I answer private e-mails every morning for about an hour.
mr.wayne@hydroenergyrevolution.com
Wayne Travis

Hi Wayne
Sorry about the confusion, there's a lot of it about and we still have a lot of debate
about how your device works.
So it would be nice if you could give us an update as to when Mark Dansie will be verifying the device.

I will not be emailing you privately as you came to this open forum to tell everyone about this device
I think it only fair that you continue in that way.(open)

It is only my opinion and no doubt you will have a lot of excuses as to why Mark Dansie won't be coming soon,
or excuses about not answering the question in the first place.

All the best