I did read what you had said actually I have read the whole thread while I may have made a simple miscalculation due to the fact that someone stated my faith was gone in the ashes with 9/11 and I thought it was you but could be wrong.

Either way I just asked a hypothetical question if you had to chose between following the word of god and having eternal life or eternal damnation and following the Devil which would you choose hypothetically speaking now you know without question that there is a god and there is a Devil and you have to choose...

Now play along here and play along fair and keep this on topic don't try and ask me something crazy off topic like if I had to drink liquid plumber or die what would be my choice or something on a tangent. No I suppose I did not get grasp of your stance on religion and finally listing what I listed was strictly for verification purposes that I had everything correct it may be true as well that tito is not a mason I do not know for sure but either way if you have no stance on religion you are an atheist someone who is non believing of a god a creator of some sort weather that god is non physical and is simply a sea of energy all around us or you simply wish to deny it all and believe in evolution.

You are educated enough to know what I am proposing here and educated enough to answer it basically anyone can easily answer this hypothetical question and the answers may vary depending on the type of person you are it is a simple choice between good and evil what type of person are you willy who would you side with hypothetically speaking?

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 23, 2012, 10:19:43 PM
then why did you bother with that asinine, illogical word salad you posted? all you managed to do was to demonstrate that you suspend logic and reason when it suits your purpose...

may your chains rest lightly...

maybe I was testing you. ;]

I see that you are wanting scientific, logical proofs. 

But if God wants us to believe, sight unseen, for what ever reasons he wishes, as he is God, then why would you think that God would make it that easy for you to get scientific or logical proofs of his existence? That would certainly put a loophole in his plan. Wouldnt it? Youve read it. You know what Im saying.

You are angry about it all. Its clear to see. Im sorry you feel that way.

Thing is, some do go through life with some belief, even though they have not experienced what God can do for you in life here. They could not provide testimony of their experiences because they had not 'recognized' them. 

I could tell you stories. But that is not the proof you are 'asking' for. So I have not told them, as I know you are beyond reach. It explains that in the Bible also.

I have nothing against you Wilby. We have been ok around each other here.

But I nor anyone on this earth can give you those proofs. You will have to try and experience them yourself. There only one way to do that.

Like I said. You are well read. Otherwise, how could you declare that its all 'Babble', if you have not read it? You know exactly what Im saying.

Mags

Quote from: Magluvin on September 23, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
maybe I was testing you. ;]

I see that you are wanting scientific, logical proofs. 

really? you just figured that out? me asking for extant material evidence and/or a logical proof for the existence of your imaginary friend for what now, a couple years... that didn't make that clear enough for you? idiot.

Quote from: Magluvin on September 23, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
But if God wants us to believe, sight unseen, for what ever reasons he wishes, as he is God, then why would you think that God would make it that easy for you to get scientific or logical proofs of his existence? That would certainly put a loophole in his plan. Wouldnt it? Youve read it. You know what Im saying.

his 'plan' has logical holes in it the size of a supernova... 'his plan' is nothing but a logical fallacy... you would need to present extant material evidence and or a logical proof for the existence of this gawd before discussion of 'his plan' even becomes relevant... you know what i'm saying...

Quote from: Magluvin on September 23, 2012, 10:41:57 PM
You are angry about it all. Its clear to see. Im sorry you feel that way.

i'm not angry... i'm fed up with the asinine, willful stupidity you faithers continually vomit.


edit: i have nothing against you either mags... other than the fact that you are a filthy spooner who impetuously refuses the sauce of your lord and master the flying spaghetti monster.
i do find your 'fair weather' approach to logic, reason and science quite disappointing though...

Quote from: infringer on September 23, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
I did read what you had said actually I have read the whole thread while I may have made a simple miscalculation due to the fact that someone stated my faith was gone in the ashes with 9/11 and I thought it was you but could be wrong.

oh so you read it... but didn't actually comprehend what i wrote... let me refresh your memory:

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 22, 2012, 10:21:27 PM
you're the one who should think again.

here's a recap...
1. some faither makes an asinine fantastical claim.
2. someone calls them on it.
3. the faithers claim persecution... just like what happened to their precious jesus.

 

my 'tolerance' for religion and imaginary godfairies disappeared in the smoking ash and choking dust of 9/11.

i really don't know why i should even have to... it was only one page back. note i didn't state anything about 'faith', only my tolerance...

Quote from: infringer on September 23, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
Either way I just asked a hypothetical question if you had to chose between following the word of god and having eternal life or eternal damnation and following the Devil which would you choose hypothetically speaking now you know without question that there is a god and there is a Devil and you have to choose...

i see now you have added the "and having eternal life or eternal damnation" qualifier... 

Quote from: infringer on September 23, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
Now play along here and play along fair and keep this on topic don't try and ask me something crazy off topic like if I had to drink liquid plumber or die what would be my choice or something on a tangent. No I suppose I did not get grasp of your stance on religion and finally listing what I listed was strictly for verification purposes that I had everything correct it may be true as well that tito is not a mason I do not know for sure but either way if you have no stance on religion you are an atheist someone who is non believing of a god a creator of some sort weather that god is non physical and is simply a sea of energy all around us or you simply wish to deny it all and believe in evolution.

you're asking me to 'play fair' when you have TOTALLY LIED about my position and what i have said?  LMFAO!  furthermore, there is a difference between atheists and agnostics... could you at least try and get one thing correct?

Quote from: infringer on September 23, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
You are educated enough to know what I am proposing here and educated enough to answer it basically anyone can easily answer this hypothetical question and the answers may vary depending on the type of person you are it is a simple choice between good and evil what type of person are you willy who would you side with hypothetically speaking?

i'm going to have to hypothetically go with saint satan and choose 'good' over the 'evil' gawd of abraham...  seeing how the only killing in the bible that could possibly be blamed on satan is in the book of job and is 10 (his seven sons and three daughters) people... however, it should be noted that satan was a servant of gawd at that time following the orders of gawd and gawd instigated a bet with satan which started things... gawd however killed about 2.8 million people according to the bible.  and thus is infinitely more 'evil' than satan.

Quote from: infringer on September 23, 2012, 02:08:41 PM
Willy Inebriated = A former believer of GOD who's views have changed for one reason or multiple reasons weather self induced or media induced is now an atheist.

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 23, 2012, 04:19:52 PM
your 'summation' regarding me is entirely incorrect.

That's almost exactly me: I'm not complete atheist however, my "religion" does not recognizes absolute "good" let's call it "God" and absolute "evil" something, let's call it "Satan": it's just pure fantasy and I believe I can prove it. Always, I believe, something "good" for one entity is "bad" for an opposition. In effect, good and bad creates neutral which is real and natural. I also don't believe in eternal life after death.

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on September 23, 2012, 11:52:17 AM
idiot is the proper adjective, and i don't really care if you don't 'like' it... 

Though I'm not absolutely sure, I believe you do this only in safe places, like an internet forum, only protected with a nickname, not real name and never alone in real life.