Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 03, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
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Bruce

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Above is a llink to "The 255 Infallibly Declared Dogmas of the Catholic Faith".
Wilby and other atheists (not me, I guess I'm still a believer, only on different level): from these dogmas you have a chance to ascertain yourself, how those all believers are frightened: normally, people are frightened "to death"; religious believers, like Bruce_TPU are frightened far more than to their death, since it governs also the "after-death" state. Thus, a discussion with them about something called God is desperately hopeless; once their authorities pump those dogmas into their heads,  this becomes their "mantra";  they stubbornly convince themselves mutually, that they believe this nonsense. I know, because I'm an "ex."

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Some recent church authorities, under some pression, (mostly scientific) consider God as a state of mind. However, dogmas make impossible such efforts leading sometimes to really ridiculous but mostly hipocritic means.

Fear governs everything.

Everybody is afraid. The believer fears there is no god and the atheist fears there actually is a god.

I can only say this:

1. If there is an Intent behind the evolutionary progress, it is nothing close to anyones cosy image of a favouring god.

2. If evolution and the creation of consciousness is the result of pure chance executed within an infinitie and eternal playground,
    there is still nothing that exludes multidimensional and transcendental realms beyond death. Spiritualism does not need any
    god, it may be a fully natural part of reality.

Here's something for you to think about:

Don't underestimate infinity.  Infinity cannot be infinite if it did not include its own exclusion. 

Gwandau

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 03, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
For ALL of those yearning for a deeper relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, or for those of you interested in knowing more about how to receive eternal life, and how to have your own living, abiding relationship with the Saviour of the world, you can follow my daily devotional feed.
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His servant,

Bruce

ohhh a deeper relationship with your imaginary gawd/fairy/savior/creator friend... how moronic... and childish.

i don't negotiate with terrorists... which is why i give moronic faithers like you, exactly 3 seconds to get off my porch before i send them to meet their precious jesus...

and thank you for your tacit admission that you do not consider yourself logical, reasonable and scientific... since you have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to falsify all the other gawds humanity has created and have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to validate your gawd.

Quote from: Gwandau on October 03, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Fear governs everything.

Everybody is afraid. The believer fears there is no god and the atheist fears there actually is a god.

I can only say this:

1. If there is an Intent behind the evolutionary progress, it is nothing close to anyones cosy image of a favouring god.

2. If evolution and the creation of consciousness is the result of pure chance executed within an infinitie and eternal playground,
    there is still nothing that exludes multidimensional and transcendental realms beyond death. Spiritualism does not need any
    god, it may be a fully natural part of reality.

Oh come on.  I do not know of a single atheist who fears that there is a god.  After all, not only does there have to be a creator, that creator has to actually care whether we believe in him or not, and care enough to exact some petty punishment on those who refused to believe in his existence on bad evidence.


As far as your speculation on a multidimensional universe with relation to spiritualism, this is still hogwash.  What evidence is there of a god who actually cares about your thoughts.  That's what spiritualism is, mind you, talking to yourself in your head and hoping god is listening.  It is borderline insanity.

Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 03, 2012, 04:42:22 PM
ohhh a deeper relationship with your imaginary gawd/fairy/savior/creator friend... how moronic... and childish.

i don't negotiate with terrorists... which is why i give moronic faithers like you, exactly 3 seconds to get off my porch before i send them to meet their precious jesus...

and thank you for your tacit admission that you do not consider yourself logical, reasonable and scientific... since you have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to falsify all the other gawds humanity has created and have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to validate your gawd.

Ha!  That bold faced sentence made me laugh.  Logical?  Compared to what, humanism, the worship of self?  Reasonable?  God takes the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.  Scientific?  "yet even seeing one come back from the dead, yet they still will not believe". 

What posts of anger, hatred and vitriol.  Not surprising, for "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." 

No fear, for "perfect love casts out all fear".  Truth?  ABSOLUTELY!  The truth is that JESUS CHRIST (Messiah) is the way, the truth and the life.  And no man cometh unto the Father but through Him.

Evidence and proof?  A changed heart and a changed life.  Mine.  I once was like you all.  Without faith, without hope and without God.  Heady, highminded, a lover of pleasure more than of God.  A sinner.  Wretched, unhappy, miserable, without hope and with God.  But there is GOOD NEWS!  Jesus, the Son of God, died upon the cross.  He who knew no sin, became sin, taking my shame and penelty of death.  Sin seperates from God.  We have ALL sinned (missed the mark) in comparison to a Holy God.  Eternally lost and without hope.  But God, in His infinate wisdom and love, allowd Jesus, to be a substitute, and to pay the ultimate price.  MY sin was nailed to that cross.  I came to my senses over three decades ago, and accepted payment for my crime.  We have all sinned (in comparison to a Holy God, not to one another), for if any man says that he has not sinned, that man is a liar and the truth is not in him.  But the GOOD NEWS is that our sins can be washed away, and we can be changed, born again.  Born not of this world, but of the spirit.  For that which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.  You can neither see the wind nor know from where it came.  But you can see the EFFECTS of that wind upon the things that it influences.  That wind of His Holy Spirit calls out to everone who reads these words, to repent, and to turn to the living God, while there is still time.....
Below is a repost of my Resurrection Sunday message I wrote on my thread, this year.  It is the "proof" that changed my life.  Open your heart and mind.  Call out to Him, and ask Him yourself, to show himself real to you!  He is a living God.  It is not like worshipping idols that neither see nor hear, that are both deaf and dumb.

Resurrection Sunday Message

Good morning and happy Resurrection Sunday.  This day is truly a celebration of the life giving power of the Lord Jesus Christ, by the Power of His Holy Spirit. 

That very same Holy Spirit, whose power enveloped the fallen, crucified corpse of our Savior, uniting his blessed Soul and Spirit, in an instantaneous explosion of resurrection power, Jesus arose from the dead.

Now, across the barrier of time, a young man, at the tender age of 17, cries out to Jesus, asking forgiveness for his sins, and speaking out with his mouth, aloud, that Jesus Christ was Lord, and believed in his heart that God had raised Jesus from the dead.

Suddenly, not in the darkness of a cave, once used as a rich man’s tomb, but rather, in the darkness of a mobile home, His light, shone through the darkness, exploding His love and resurrection power through that young man’s soul and heart.  Like a warm oil flowing from the top of his head to the souls of his teenage feet, Christ’s Holy Spirit poured out God’s love and forgiveness.

That young man  shed tears, borne of a tormented soul, now freed. As he looked around the room he had been kneeling in, he felt different.  He felt new.  He felt clean.  He grew in the knowledge of the Lord and in the Lord’s wisdom.  The Lord Jesus had called him, as a new creation, a new creature in Christ, to walk in newness of life.

The teen grew from youth to manhood, standing on the promise daily, that the mercies of the Lord are new every morning.  Every day the Lord Jesus reaches out by loving kindness, mercy, and undeserved Grace.

He was that young teen. And he is now a middle aged man. A man who understands and recognizes that every breath taken and every beat of his heart brings him one step closer to eternity.  The Lord Jesus Christ has been his best friend throughout his life, since that resurrection day.  He has never failed, nor faltered, and always has the man’s best interest at heart. 

I of course, am that man.



And you too can have your own resurrection story, if you will but humble yourself before a mighty God, speak out with your mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord, believing with all of your heart that God, has raised Jesus from the dead.  Do this today.  Do this now.  Do not hesitate nor falter.  The religions of this world produce death.  But only a true relationship with God the Father, through Jesus Christ the Lord, can raise you to new life.  Behold old things are passed away, the Bible says, and all things are become new.  The most important, life altering, eternity deciding, choice you can make, is to allow Jesus to become Lord, and savior of your life.  He was raised from the dead, and today, this very moment, is knocking on the door to your heart, wanting to impart His life, peace and joy into you, and to raise you up.



Jesus said, to cast your burdens upon him and to learn of him, for his yoke is easy and his burden is light.  Throw off the burden of doubt and unbelief.  Have faith, and His promises will never falter nor fail, and your name too shall be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life. 

Eternity calls us all, so choose you this day whom you will serve.  Serve self, and you will fail.  Serve religions of man, and it shall come to nothing for they are but dumb idols who neither speak nor see.  Serve money, and it will not last.

For our life is as a vapor of smoke.  Here for a moment and then gone.

But as for me and my house, we will serve the risen Lord Jesus, the messiah and blessed Son of the most High.

And he shall return with the shout of an Angel and the trumpet of God shall sound.  For those who are called by his name they shall be changed. Those who have died in Christ shall rise first.  And then in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye they shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.  And so shall they ever be with Him.  Amen