you xian cultists are so funny... creepy and scary, but funny all the same...

another day of no extant material evidence nor logical proofs for the existence of imaginary godfairy savior friends... 

another day where not a single faither has presented the method(s) used to falsify all the godfairies they don't believe in... or the method(s) used to validate the godfairy they do believe in...


edit: and chetito... if gawd made man from dust... why is there still dust?

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 04, 2012, 01:11:36 AM


Evidence and proof?  A changed heart and a changed life.  Mine.  I once was like you all.  Without faith, without hope and without God.  Heady, highminded, a lover of pleasure more than of God.  A sinner.  Wretched, unhappy, miserable, without hope and with God.  But there is GOOD NEWS!  Jesus, the Son of God, died upon the cross.  He who knew no sin, became sin, taking my shame and penelty of death.  Sin seperates from God.  We have ALL sinned (missed the mark) in comparison to a Holy God.  ng of an eye they shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.  And so shall they ever be with Him.  Amen

This makes no sense.  God is all powerful and all knowing.  He knew very well when he created man, he created sin.  So why hold man responsible?  And what is this obsession with human sacrifice?  And what kind of a sacrifice is it anyway?  He created a son, himself, and then sacrificed himself to himself.  Presumably, he can just create himself as a new son a thousand times a day.  What kind of sacrifice is this?  It is like me blowing my nose, holding up the tissue, burning it, and claiming I sacrificed something of value.  This is all trivial to god.  He may as well just have said, "Hey guys, I forgive you."


And this is all before we even get to the justice of it.  How is torturing someone else absolve you of your wrongdoing.  Imagine if our courts worked that way.  You steal a car, no problem.  The judge just has the bailiff whip someone else, and poof, you are absolved.

And why does god need us to believe in him?  Is he that petty, that he needs constant adulation?   You would think god would be above those petty motives.  And if he really wants a close relationship with us, he should just come out and talk to us, instead of having some guy 2000 years ago write a book, and then have us talk to him by talking to ourselves in hour head?  Why the hearsay testimony of the bible?  If he is so infinitely wise, as they tell us he is, how about a clearer way to send a message?  This is the age of the Internet.  Where is god's website and twitter account?  Or heck, just write it out in clouds.  Anything substantially more current than a 2000 year old book would be great.

Chris
I don't go to Choich...,And "You" just arrived  where I started.....not where I fell back to.

But you keep mentioning religions and "christians" and Choiches. {W Too}

I see fingerprints of design.... Virus and microb's can alter your DNA in one generation .
I see DNA as a very big design feature.{not the obvious .....some say it holds a code of another Nature, a language of sorts]

just out here paying attention with no axe to grind.
Thx
Chet

And to the readers of this foray, I say, you shall know them by their fruits.  It's funny, ya know.  I once met a man who worked for the secret service, and we talked about counterfeit bills and how to spot them.  A comment was made about how many DIFFERENT types of counterfeits there must be, and I asked him how in the world they had time to research each type, as to spot the fake.  He laughed and said that they never studied the fakes, to spot a fake, but only knew the REAL THING so well, as to anything fake came along was INSTANTLY RECOGNIZED.  I have met Jesus and he has been a part of my life for over 30 years.  If others cuss at that and blaspheme His Holy name, that is between them and God.  I know the REAL.  Some posts here sound like a little child having a wicked tantrum because someone said something they don't like.  I say tough, get over it, and let the TRUTH set you free!  Let him who has ears to hear, listen....

His Servant,
Bruce

Quote from: eatenbyagrue on October 04, 2012, 10:08:32 AM

This makes no sense.  God is all powerful and all knowing.  He knew very well when he created man, he created sin.  So why hold man responsible?  And what is this obsession with human sacrifice?  And what kind of a sacrifice is it anyway?  He created a son, himself, and then sacrificed himself to himself.  Presumably, he can just create himself as a new son a thousand times a day.  What kind of sacrifice is this?  It is like me blowing my nose, holding up the tissue, burning it, and claiming I sacrificed something of value.  This is all trivial to god.  He may as well just have said, "Hey guys, I forgive you."


And this is all before we even get to the justice of it.  How is torturing someone else absolve you of your wrongdoing.  Imagine if our courts worked that way.  You steal a car, no problem.  The judge just has the bailiff whip someone else, and poof, you are absolved.

And why does god need us to believe in him?  Is he that petty, that he needs constant adulation?   You would think god would be above those petty motives.  And if he really wants a close relationship with us, he should just come out and talk to us, instead of having some guy 2000 years ago write a book, and then have us talk to him by talking to ourselves in hour head?  Why the hearsay testimony of the bible?  If he is so infinitely wise, as they tell us he is, how about a clearer way to send a message?  This is the age of the Internet.  Where is god's website and twitter account?  Or heck, just write it out in clouds.  Anything substantially more current than a 2000 year old book would be great.

God did not "Create" Sin.  Sin was first created in the heart of Lucifer, when he allowed PRIDE to enter his heart and decided he would be God.  (People do this EVERYDAY including some of the posters on this board).  Satan (meaning "deceiver") then went and tempted Adam and Eve to disobey God, by LIEING about God.  (Satan's gameplan has not changed, as one can easily discern).   

Once Adam and Eve sinned against God, that "sin nature" was passed through their blood to all of their off spring.  One can think of it as a "blood disease".  Throughout the entire Old Testament a blood sacrifice was required, and accepted by the Lord.  It was accepted because they were a "temporary" covering of sin, until which time Chist Jesus would be upon that cross shedding His own blood.  God is a triune being.  One God, three parts.  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.  Even in Genesis, one can see this when he says, "Let US make man in OUR image."  And yes in the Hebrew it says the same thing.  But truth be known, you will never understand with the natural mind, the things of God, for God is a Spirit and those who worship Him, must worship Him in spirit and in truth. 

There was a great gulf between man and God, caused by sin.  And no false gods and religions of man can bridge that gap.  So God, in His infinate wisdom and love, built a bridge so that man could once again walk in fellowship with God.  I am here to day to testify to all the readers, that Jesus is that bridge.  That God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten son, so that whosoever (that would be you, the reader) believes in HIM, would not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Lastly, oh arrogant man, God does not "need you to believe in Him", but rather, in His infinate mercy, has given you an opportunity to escape the damnation that SIN brings.  For the wages (paycheck) of Sin is death (eternal seperation from God), but the FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE.  Hell's fire was created for the devil and for his angels.  It is God's will that NONE should perish.  But know know this, O Man, that anyone whose name is not found in the Book of Life, for the books will be opened, shall be cast alive into the lake of fire.  For the books will be opened on that day.  Hells fire is a place of torment, a place where eternity is spent remembering the opportunities one had to repent and to receive the gift of God, eternal life, and ones rejection of that.  It is a place where the worm never dies, and where the tongue is indeed set on fire.  Worms crawling throughtout the body, the tongue on fire, and no light, but rather eternal darkness.  Do NOT allow Satan, the deceiver of man to deceive you!!  Awake O Man, and receive now the Gift of Life!! His Servant, Bruce