It is highly probable that large numbers of humans witnessed large numbers of supernatural events and attributed these events to supernatural beings.  The problem lies in the definition as to what is natural.  A tribe in micronesia is worshipping an aviator who landed on their island and have depicted the plane, the cigarette lighter, and the radio on a wall they regularly go to church at.  It was logical for these people to ASSUME that this being and his technology were supernatural in essence.  No where in their world dictated by THEIR laws of nature did such a being and his stuff exist. They used logic and assumed a supernatural being was in their midst.  Various humans have named supernatural beings and their activities over the years that  became part of their common reality and it is highly probable this behaviour will continue as natural laws are written-broken-and abandoned.

Sparks
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Chet

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 04, 2012, 11:09:41 AM

God did not "Create" Sin.  Sin was first created in the heart of Lucifer, when he allowed PRIDE to enter his heart and decided he would be God.  (People do this EVERYDAY including some of the posters on this board).  Satan (meaning "deceiver") then went and tempted Adam and Eve to disobey God, by LIEING about God.  (Satan's gameplan has not changed, as one can easily discern).   

Once Adam and Eve sinned against God, that "sin nature" was passed through their blood to all of their off spring.  One can think of it as a "blood disease".  Throughout the entire Old Testament a blood sacrifice was required, and accepted by the Lord.  It was accepted because they were a "temporary" covering of sin, until which time Chist Jesus would be upon that cross shedding His own blood.  God is a triune being.  One God, three parts.  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.  Even in Genesis, one can see this when he says, "Let US make man in OUR image."  And yes in the Hebrew it says the same thing.  But truth be known, you will never understand with the natural mind, the things of God, for God is a Spirit and those who worship Him, must worship Him in spirit and in truth. 

There was a great gulf between man and God, caused by sin.  And no false gods and religions of man can bridge that gap.  So God, in His infinate wisdom and love, built a bridge so that man could once again walk in fellowship with God.  I am here to day to testify to all the readers, that Jesus is that bridge.  That God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten son, so that whosoever (that would be you, the reader) believes in HIM, would not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Lastly, oh arrogant man, God does not "need you to believe in Him", but rather, in His infinate mercy, has given you an opportunity to escape the damnation that SIN brings.  For the wages (paycheck) of Sin is death (eternal seperation from God), but the FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE.  Hell's fire was created for the devil and for his angels.  It is God's will that NONE should perish.  But know know this, O Man, that anyone whose name is not found in the Book of Life, for the books will be opened, shall be cast alive into the lake of fire.  For the books will be opened on that day.  Hells fire is a place of torment, a place where eternity is spent remembering the opportunities one had to repent and to receive the gift of God, eternal life, and ones rejection of that.  It is a place where the worm never dies, and where the tongue is indeed set on fire.  Worms crawling throughtout the body, the tongue on fire, and no light, but rather eternal darkness.  Do NOT allow Satan, the deceiver of man to deceive you!!  Awake O Man, and receive now the Gift of Life!! His Servant, Bruce

This raises more questions than it answers.  God is the creator of all things and is all knowing.  Therefore god created Lucifer with the knowledge of what he would do and what effect it would have on man, but he went ahead and created it anyway.  God is responsible for all things, and nothing happens without his knowing, so, by creating Lucifer and allowing him to exist, with the full knowledge of what would happen, he created the sin.  Why did he do this?


I have also just learned that sins are apparently passed on from parents to innocent children.  Is this sort of like North Korea, where three generations are imprisoned (one's children and parents), for a political transgression.  Actually, it is worse than North Korea.  There it only goes to three generations.  With god, in his infinite wisdom, apparently everyone is guilty.


Also, I am curious about this mercy.  Obviously, since god controls all things, he controls hell, where there is eternal torment for those guilty of the heinous sin of refusing to believe in him on bad evidence, and apparently this sin is worthy of eternal torture. Not a year, not 100 years, not 1000 years, but eternal.  This is quite possibly the worst thing that could possibly happen, and god allows this to happen for seemingly minor infractions.  Tell me again about his eternal mercy, I am confused on that part.  If he did not want anyone to perish, he could simply allow everyone to heaven.  Why not?  Why hold this grudge?  What happened to infinitely merciful?  If one is infinitely merciful, as I understand god to be, should he not forgive people the simple mistake of being born in the wrong hemisphere and therefore believing in the wrong deity.

And what is with this blood sacrifice business?  If this was practiced in our society, we would be abhorred by it.   And how exactly does one atone for one's crime by slaughtering an innocent goat, or sheep or faithful dog?  What did the animal do?  How is this justice?  Why was god so thirsty for blood that apparently anyone's blood would do?  Why accept the blood of an innocent animal as atonement for the crime by a knowing and reasoning human evildoer?  Can you imagine what that goat or sheep or poor puppy is thinking as it is about to be killed (probably thinking "what did I do?")  And why wait for Jesus's coming to change these bloodthirsty rules.  If blood sacrifice was wrong then, does that mean god was wrong and changed his mind.   And why would god change his mind?  Is he not infinitely wise, so should he not always make the correct decision the first time?


Also, finally, how do you even know any of this is true.  Please do not tell me the Bible, as I can show you some books about Poseidon and Zeus.

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 04, 2012, 10:39:00 AM
And to the readers of this foray, I say, you shall know them by their fruits.  It's funny, ya know.  I once met a man who worked for the secret service, and we talked about counterfeit bills and how to spot them.  A comment was made about how many DIFFERENT types of counterfeits there must be, and I asked him how in the world they had time to research each type, as to spot the fake.  He laughed and said that they never studied the fakes, to spot a fake, but only knew the REAL THING so well, as to anything fake came along was INSTANTLY RECOGNIZED.  I have met Jesus and he has been a part of my life for over 30 years.  If others cuss at that and blaspheme His Holy name, that is between them and God.  I know the REAL.  Some posts here sound like a little child having a wicked tantrum because someone said something they don't like.  I say tough, get over it, and let the TRUTH set you free!  Let him who has ears to hear, listen....

His Servant,
Bruce

thank you AGAIN for ANOTHER tacit admission that you do not consider yourself logical, reasonable and scientific... since you have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to falsify all the other gawds humanity has created and have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to validate your gawd.

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 04, 2012, 11:09:41 AM

God did not "Create" Sin.  Sin was first created in the heart of Lucifer, when he allowed PRIDE to enter his heart and decided he would be God.  (People do this EVERYDAY including some of the posters on this board).  Satan (meaning "deceiver") then went and tempted Adam and Eve to disobey God, by LIEING about God.  (Satan's gameplan has not changed, as one can easily discern).   

Once Adam and Eve sinned against God, that "sin nature" was passed through their blood to all of their off spring.  One can think of it as a "blood disease".  Throughout the entire Old Testament a blood sacrifice was required, and accepted by the Lord.  It was accepted because they were a "temporary" covering of sin, until which time Chist Jesus would be upon that cross shedding His own blood.  God is a triune being.  One God, three parts.  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.  Even in Genesis, one can see this when he says, "Let US make man in OUR image."  And yes in the Hebrew it says the same thing.  But truth be known, you will never understand with the natural mind, the things of God, for God is a Spirit and those who worship Him, must worship Him in spirit and in truth. 

There was a great gulf between man and God, caused by sin.  And no false gods and religions of man can bridge that gap.  So God, in His infinate wisdom and love, built a bridge so that man could once again walk in fellowship with God.  I am here to day to testify to all the readers, that Jesus is that bridge.  That God so loved the world that he sent His only begotten son, so that whosoever (that would be you, the reader) believes in HIM, would not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Lastly, oh arrogant man, God does not "need you to believe in Him", but rather, in His infinate mercy, has given you an opportunity to escape the damnation that SIN brings.  For the wages (paycheck) of Sin is death (eternal seperation from God), but the FREE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE.  Hell's fire was created for the devil and for his angels.  It is God's will that NONE should perish.  But know know this, O Man, that anyone whose name is not found in the Book of Life, for the books will be opened, shall be cast alive into the lake of fire.  For the books will be opened on that day.  Hells fire is a place of torment, a place where eternity is spent remembering the opportunities one had to repent and to receive the gift of God, eternal life, and ones rejection of that.  It is a place where the worm never dies, and where the tongue is indeed set on fire.  Worms crawling throughtout the body, the tongue on fire, and no light, but rather eternal darkness.  Do NOT allow Satan, the deceiver of man to deceive you!!  Awake O Man, and receive now the Gift of Life!! His Servant, Bruce

the 'apple test' is logically flawed from the start.
if eve had not yet eaten from the tree of knowledge (of good and evil, right and wrong) how could she possibly KNOW it was evil/wrong to disobey gawd?

and thank you AGAIN for ANOTHER tacit admission that you do not consider yourself logical, reasonable and scientific... since you have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to falsify all the other gawds humanity has created and have repeatedly refused to present the methods you used to validate your gawd.