To All,

I consider fletcher to be the best kind of skeptic -- a senior skeptic -- Open minded with a respectful professional demeanor, knowledgeable in the field, and willing to give expert help and analysis to others who are making a serious effort and progress at understanding how the ZED works. 

A skeptic of fletchers caliber is a valuable asset.  Every thread should be so lucky.

One of the hardest things for a junior skeptic to do is not jump ahead to a conclusion and become biased before something is well understood.  It is better to just keep quiet if that happens until all the details are worked out.  Watch and learn from the seniors when you are lucky enough to have one engaged.

~Dennis

Quote from: Mr g on October 07, 2012, 07:56:31 AM




             No dennis whilst we "watch and learn"   innocents can continue to be scammed in what is    obviously a con, weather originated as, or developed into,ie wayne is a liar as he used to state he had a patent and has no such thing. if he is taking investment then he is a criminal because anyone with half a brain knows this cant work and you may find yourself complicit  in this .




    Ian

Dennis is right - and I very much welcome true skeptics - and have and many who have visited our lab, and reviewed our improved models.

On a side note:
It may not be the intent of this thread - but this thread is "weeding" out the phony skeptics - by their own words premature conclusions, attacks lack of due diligence.

@ Ian
You are not spreading the truth.... my decidedly unfriendly......too bad.... not by my wish.

Do you defend the "phony skeptics" with your bogus claim?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you took someone else's word and did not read it for yourself , I have seen that here several times..... Not really a question - only one went back and then returned to apologize in a PM.

The status of my patent application has been very clear.
Three times this lame claim from - based on a clip of a conversation where I discuss the process and expense we have had so far doing our due diligence protecting our IP - and called it  "My patent". Is it yours?
Substance requires that you do not take things out of context - this is how the thread roots out the phony skeptics - with their own lack of due diligence.

I also reviewed this conversation when TK - was so misled - he even posted pictures which were intentionally misleading.
And when mh and MarkE tried to throw the same mud.

The common thread with all four/five of you who make such claims - Is that they - like you add no substance to the discussion.

You use symbolism and conjecture to falsely associate me - with past failures - and resort to bull like - "I lied about a patent"

The ZED Technology can stand on its own - it does not need me or matter if - I ever was misunderstood - or you do your own  due diligence.

And many more are beginning to understand that truth - the ZED discovery is very real my friend - and as the replicators and others have attested to - I have told the truth about my claims.

Let me be clear - (repeated for the fourth time - we have worked very hard to protect our IP - and in May when the PCT cleared - part of the international patent process - we moved a step closer - patenting is a process - and we have done our due diligence very well.

Now if you have something with substance to add - welcome.

But if all you can do is act like a bull - Snort, stomp your foot, pout - and bellow..... we sold our cow a long time ago....

"We have no need for your Bull".

I apologize for being so blunt - be clear on one thing - We will see this through, try to be respectful where we can and forgive where it is needed - yet understand this - we will not back down - we have no need ....we have the truth.

Free Energy has been discovered - now is the time to separate those who will - from those that won't.....those that think - from those that don't; those that fear - form those that stand, Free energy is a gift to man.

Phonies continually fall on the wrong side of the benefit to the world - while using the excuse of protecting the innocent -
The people who do get involved - are far smarter than you give credit - you seem to think that the "innocent" need your protection as if they are too ignorant to think for themselves - so you must save them from being fooled?

This is where you and I differ - I see those that solve our riddle - as pretty brilliant - just saying....

Peace and Growth.

Wayne

To All,
The Validation team has now - for the third time - requested that I leave this forum.
I need to respect that wisdom - but I will miss your discussions.

This thread has been a blessing in so many ways - you have been a blessing.
(yes, even the phonies had something to add - when they looped through the same symbolism for the fourth time - they are out / done - in my book)
@Stefan,
I appreciate your invitation - and for your original work which brought Mark Dansie and I together in the first place - that is in our history as well - and thank you for stepping up the moderation when it was needed. Good call.
Now - We have shared the early prototype and discovery with this forum, my purpose has been served and has been fun.
(especially after I figured out how to select ignore lol, ).
The group no longer needs my input, they are doing very well. We have met some honorable people and made some great alliances.
We will come back as I promised to post the Validation report, or I will ask a member or two of that team to post here.
To the Replication teams -
Please continue to contact me through my e-mail, with your progress great building! I will follow thru.
I believe the first Replication Model will arrive mid month - that team is moving on to the second challenge!
For those of you so inclined -God Bless
and the rest - peace be with you.
Thank you all - It is "exceptionalism" like that of those who got their hands wet - that search....discover...... and share.
Welcome to the new frontier of energy production!
Wayne Travis
President
HydroEnergyRevolution llc

Quote from: mrwayne on October 07, 2012, 11:10:04 AM
To All,
The Validation team has now - for the third time - requested that I leave this forum.
Wayne Travis

Dear Wayne,

Go well my friend and thank you for the opportunity to have made your acquaintance.
I will also shut the door behind me so we can leave the so called skeptics in peace.

Michel

To continue my comments about skeptics:  I will not say too much about fake skeptics.  They are egotistical naysayers in skeptics clothing.  They do more harm than good in disrupting and delaying discovery of the truth to a true skeptics standards.  Their claim to fame is to counter any and every positive statement with a negative one.  This thread provides ample evidence.

However, this thread has no more of them than the internet in general AFAIK.  I read a lot of science and technology based news stories in print and on the internet.  Many are research findings from reputable companies and universities.  In the comments sections on the internet, the number of critical naysayers outnumber intelligent commentary.  The same names keep popping up in different venues.  It is a sport to them to be the first to find something negative to say about some new research, product in development, or new product.  Print letters to the editor don't have troll posts since they are moderated to weed out trash.  I doubt many trolls would even take the time to write in, since they know nobody will see it.  Net result is a few trolls dominate the negative voice on the internet.

A senior skeptic may take on the role of mentor and help lead you to discover the truth on your own.  Of course, you have to be trying to learn the truth in the first place for that to happen.  Other than pointing out obvious math or geometry errors, a senior skeptic would rarely try to ram his version of the truth down your throat -- resorting to profanity and name calling if you are too dense to grasp his way.  A junior skeptic can easily get caught up this unhelpful behavior.

Fake skeptics can be a plague on discovery, but so can true believers.  True believers (as opposed to true knowers), believe everything they are told about how wonderful a product or technology is, without any proof of life.  They will take up the cause of defending the idea against all skeptics, without understanding the technology or having clear proof that it is performing as advertised.  They are just as disruptive in that they counter logic and data with emotional fuzzy reasoning. 

In the absence of fake and junior skeptics, true believers would not have much to say, other than adding a supporting mood to those working towards discovery.  No harm done.  It takes two to argue, so I have to go back to the skeptics as having control of the pace of discovery.

One more group, and the most valuable to discovery are the replicators.  They may be believers, or skeptics.  It does not matter, because they are pushing forward with a contribution that provides the data to verify or refute claims.  They are engaged in the conversation in a positive way.  My hat is off to all of them.

~Dennis