http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP-Sxfntdb4

Quote from: see3d on October 07, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
TK,

A senior skeptic has a thick skin.  I have worked with senior skeptics (as well as juniors) for decades.  However, I will not engage in a rebuttable about my observational opinions about skeptics and believers here, simply because I have work to do.  An opinion needs no defense.  A rebuttal conversation just proves my point about skeptics disrupting and delaying progress towards discovery.  However slighted you may feel this time around, you brought it on yourself.  Get over it, and get on with life.

~Dennis

Refute my points, Dennis. Can you? Do you even try, or would you rather just insult and denigrate me?

Did I, or did I not post intentionally misleading pictures as Mister Wayne has accused me of doing?
Did  Mister Wayne, or did he not, state many times that he had a patent?
Has Mister Wayne, or you, or anyone else, shown results that actually indicate overunity performance?
Has Mister Wayne demonstrated to YOU the validity and truth of his claims, or has he not?

These are not observational opinions that I am asserting, see3d. They are facts. The thickness of MY skin is not the issue, is it? I've been ignored, insulted, denigrated, lied about and accused of things I haven't done, on this thread. But I'm here..... I haven't run away, I haven't kept secrets, I've pointed out some important things that nobody else seemed willing to confront. I've asked questions that nobody has answered and I'll keep on asking them until it's realised by everyone that they have no answers.

Here's just one question I've asked:
Where is the simple, three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself, and how was this overunity determined? The words in red are a direct quote from Mister Wayne. Do you believe that he actually has such a simple system, and that it is clearly overunity by itself? (Can be answered with "yes" or "no". Will you even bother to answer?).  Why have you not demanded to see it, if you believe it exists, so that you can put its dimensions and performance of this actual, simple, three layer system into your spreadsheet? Are you afraid of upsetting someone with thin skin?

Are you afraid of puncturing someone's thin skin, by insisting that Mister Wayne demonstrate the truth of his statements? I  am not.

Did I bring something on myself? Or am I responding to, and being responded to, very much like happened in the cases of Mylow, Archer Quinn, and even Steorn? Perhaps Mister Wayne, and you yourself, could learn something by studying the case of Magnacoaster, Vorktex and Richard Willis. He's been selling... or claiming to sell.... his overunity electrical generator since 2009. Many people believe that he is a fraud -- but he has made the same kinds of claims as Mister Wayne, and has even been on television with his device. Why don't you spend some time spreadsheeting his claims, and see what you think. Is it because you too think that he's a fraud?  Where do you draw your particular line, Dennis?  What is worth YOU spending your time on, and what isn't?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWx0oKVQRY0

It's hilarious that you are blaming me -- and other "junior skeptics" that you don't agree with, for slowing you down and your lack of progress. In what way am I keeping you from understanding, or working on your spreadsheet? How did I become so powerful, that I befuddle your mind, and prevent you and everyone else from showing what they claim to have, already: working engineering models, dimensioned design drawings, real data, a device that runs itself.......

Thin skin? Hey, I have actually even been accused of "rifling" computers on the other side of the planet, just because I point out inconsistencies in reported data. What is happening in this thread is a mild case, compared to Archer Quinn, Mylow, Ainslie, and other fakes that I've been involved in examining. Rather, it seems...as it generally does.... that it is the True Believers and those who pretend impartiality like yourself, who have the thin skins. It is they who begin the flame wars and who are constantly interested in continuing them, by making false accusations and casting aspersions about character, education, and motivation. When you can't show any sausages, you start flailing and calling names and saying how stupid it is to want to see sausages, when the plans for the best sausage machine are being developed right in front of you.

Quote from: webby1 on October 07, 2012, 07:36:08 PM
I gave another builder the suggestion to use pencil lead for a centering means, they are using 1\8 inch thick material  so they drilled a small indents into the risers and attached pencil lead into those,, maybe this can help keep things from moving around to much without adding to much friction.

You may need to do it a little different, like gluing on some pencil lead that is big enough to fill the gaps you have and then sand it down to fit.

But we have been told... by Mister Wayne I believe... that the system self-centers and that no such centering devices are needed.

Is that not a true statement, then? Is it a matter of precision, or scaling?  Can't find any floating plastic beads of the right dimensions?

Quote from: webby1 on October 07, 2012, 04:34:03 PM
@TK,

Is it not interesting that wildew has posted numbers that show each riser added increases the input pressure by 10 inches of head but that the lift value doubles from the riser before it.

So the volume of input stays the same but the pressure of input goes up

from wildews post

POD only - 12" head - 1Lb force
riser 1 - 22" head - 8Lb force
riser 2 - 32" head - 16Lb force
riser 3 - 42" head - 32 Lb force


Is that what you would of expected??

I expect that these force numbers are strongly dependent on the areas and volumes involved.  I also continue to expect, and continue to find, that people confuse force with work, energy with power, and pressure with the ability to perform "nonlinear" miracles. Why don't we see the DISTANCES over which these great forces can act? I expect that they get smaller and smaller as the forces get larger and larger. What do you expect? What do you actually find?

Just to be clear - all I was reporting was FORCE ( that's why i used that term.... )
I DO understand the difference.
Yes, I did find it interesting that there was a clear relationship between force in and force generated as layers were added.
End of experiment....

Dale