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You mean Like
"be Still"?
We have a man that comes to our facility to help folks get their minds right.
He has a lot of knowledge on many different Faiths.

This simple thing you ask {10 minutes] is almost impossible .......

He asks folks just to count in there mind slowly ,just the number NOTHING else ....,and when another thought replaces the number in your mind ,you have to start over.

I get to two..............
But thats just me!

Oh and there is breathing involved too , it calms you down!

"W"   Take a breath...........
Or you could end up Messin up Your DNA
Epigenetics
http://sweetwaterhrv.com/blog/heart-rate-variability/what-swedish-chickens-tell-us-about-dna/
Later
Chet

Oh This is so Good............
A tangible Hard "Asset" ,A revelation ...as it were.........

Remember How  Eatin asked Bruce about "the sins of the father" thing?
being passed along to the Second and third generation !

Eatin Figures "what the Heck" absolute Nonsence !!Nothing physical happens.

and Bruce replyed with what I have observed in working with abused or abusive people ,   learned behavior is Taught to the next generation By Default.

They don't know any better........

HOWEVER   this.....    This is very Od ,  It turns out  High stress anxiety as well as other environmental issues WILL alter the next generations DNA.  immediately ,An Old Bible verse from  the Dark ages [so to speak ]

How'd they know??

I suppose it depends on their Coping skills?..........[I assume]

Here you go

http://sweetwaterhrv.com/blog/heart-rate-variability/what-swedish-chickens-tell-us-about-dna/

Not that big a leap for an open unbiased mind to take.......
Just paying attention!!
Thx
Chet
Ps
I wonder if the converse is true ? would a person who felt very good with an
"I know everything is going to be allright" attitude on life,would that pass along a tangible /observable Change in their DNA [a blessing Gene].?

DNA I'm really Liking this stuff ,fast quick changes..............WOW
who woulda Thunk?  who knows what can happen when things start to get triggered?
Hows that Go?
All things are possible?

It is interesting, that the more post made, explaining and quoting the Holy Word of God, the more Harsh, Loud, Hateful, Ugly, Dark and wrathful some of the responses are.  Has any of our readers taken notice of this? 

"Out of the abundance of your heart the mouth speaks."  Let me break it down into plain English for the "wise" amongst us...  Whatevery your HEART is FULL OF, is what is going to come out OF YOUR MOUTH, (visa vi...written, in this case...)

I wonder if someone has demonic powers in operation in their life, and don't know it?  I sure did before I came to Christ.

P.s.  You can't Change your life.  That's what dead men's religion tries to do.  You can only "surrender" your life, to Him who loves you and gave Himself for you.  And He will in turn give you a NEW life!  Ahhh.... That IS the proof!

Cheers,

Bruce

Quote from: hoptoad on October 08, 2012, 03:51:07 AM
Genesis makes no sense, because it is a highly (and badly) edited, cut down version of the Sumerian story of creation and the human lineage that followed it.

The sumerian version of creation, and human history therafter, up till the "great flood" and into contemporary sumerian times, was written nearly 4 thousand years before the judaists hacked it apart and incorporated it into the emerging new tanakh (hebrew bible).

Centuries later, christians decided to acknowledge their hebrew forbears by incorporating most of the tanack into the canonical works that christians were compiling, and which became known as the "old testament" and the "new testament". In line with their own viewpoint, genesis again, lost more of the original plot and meaning, because even the pre-edited hebrew version of the (Sumerian) creation story still hinted at more than one god. A loving, merciful, empathetic one, and an angry, vindictive, spiteful one.

That is totally unacceptable to monotheists like christians, hence the rewrite, which results in more mystery than enlightenment.

It's not just genesis that has been borrowed from the sumerians, but indeed, most of the "old testament" has its roots in ancient sumerian culture.
But, as they often say in TV documentaries - "all names and places have been changed to protect the innocent"

Cheers

Hoptoad,

You have condensed the above facts elegantly and easily understood, and one would think that those fully verifiable facts should have a dire impact upon anyone reading it, but no, that's not the case, there wasn't even a comment about this elucidating description of the background behind most religions.

You see how easily the Faithers bypass undisputable evidence of the old testament bible texts being a mere ripoff from earlier non Christian stories of creation. They are irreversibly conditioned to believe that the Bible contains the words of their God, and we can try forever in our attempts to reach behind their preprogrammed rigidity with no other response than their meek smiles.

The unfortunate conditioning of these guys is buried so deep within their minds that it most certainly has its roots in the preverbal period of early childhood. No wonder such conditioning cannot be reached and de-programmed by verbal logic.


Gwandau

Quote from: Newton II on October 08, 2012, 08:27:10 AM

One thing that fascinated me in Hinduism is meditation which they call as 'Dhyana'.     For doing 'dhyana'  you have  to stop thinking completely and concentrate on any one god or 'mantra'  or a single word 'om'.    But this I think is the toughest job to do.   I tried it but found it almost impossible to stop thinking.   This bothered me very much because,  mind is part of our body and we are masters of our own mind still we cannot take control of our mind and stop thinking. 

Later I studied few books on Hinduism from which I learnt that a person who stops thinking completely for hours together will enter a stage called 'samadhi'.  In that state his spirit merges with universal spirit,  he realises god and feels that he is just a very small part of universal spirit.  But to acheive this you have to take hundreds of births on this earth.   If you start meditating in this birth,   you may succeed in stopping thinking completely after taking hundreds of births!!

Has anybody, any time  tried to stop thinhking completely?

Can anybody in this forum stop thinking completely atleast for 10 minutes?

Newton II,

It is all about being inside or outside you intellect. Consciousness is better off being outside the intellect, only using the intellect as a toolbox when needed. This is too all about conditioning from early childhood, and as far as I am concerned, the only feasable method to pop outside your intellect and getting acquainted with the state of mind without thought processes, is taking hallucinogenes with this intent in mind. Since taking hallucinogenes is both illegal and connected with certain dangers if executed wrongly, there is not many people who have had the opportunity to experience this state of mind.

And it is absolutely neccessary to have a repeated experince of being outside the control of the intellect to even begin understand how to not think.  The nature of our thought processes are quite different from what most of us believe. It is not really we who create our thoughts, they are created at a far deeper level than at the level of our ordinary consciousness. 

Thoughts are actually originating non verbally and thereafter projected into the intellect where the non-verbal thought gets its verbal properties. You may have had the experience of knowing the whole sentence before thinking it, and also many times knowing exactly what to say without being able to find the words.

Yes Newton II,  I only think when I need to.  When experiencing reality, our thoughts just are obstacles creating filter projections that diminishes the direct experience of reality. And you don't have to be an enlightened Buddha to reach this state of mind, you just have to learn how to be here and now.


There is actually a legal way to enter this domain of knowledge, but it is quite ardous and will take quite some time to master:

When being alone, sitting in your sofa at home, try just to sit there and listen to your thoughts.  Let them come and go, without interfering.  This is the real trick, not to interfere. We are so conditioned to react and either trying to get hold of or avoiding the thoughts surfacing in our minds. 

Treat your thoughts like if you were sitting in your home and a bird happened to fly inside. What is the best method to get the bird back outside? To start running around after it, trying to catch the bird?  Of course not. The best way is to open all windows and just sit there waiting for the bird to find its way out of the room. Exactly this method is the best way to treat your thougths, and one day you will actually be able to just sit there for long periods free of thoughts.  And I tell you, it is abolutely amazing how much richer ones experience of reality becomes when being totally here and now.

Gwandau