Quote from: Neo-X on October 10, 2012, 12:44:38 AM
haha.. Ill give u one evidence.. Daniel Pomerlou is an old man in young at heart. He believes in god even he suffered from painfull experiment by the military because they want to know how he do such a miracle thing. Daniel has a super natural power. He can run any electric appliciances like motor, light bulb, stop light, rc plane and car, and many more with using only his mind. He said it can only be done if we have a faith to god.

Here is a guy who is a devoted christian
http://www.overunity.com/12716/probality-of-god/msg339602/#msg339602 

However, somehow he's unable to excite his device even despite tremendous work he put into it
http://www.overunity.com/12144/eblv-genmotor-design-by-bruce/#.UHUa7FEmH6c
http://www.overunity.com/2300/bruces-tpu-theory-and-experiments-ver-1-2/#.UHUbVVEmH6c

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I guess, he needs Daniel Pomerlou's help coz God can't.

what does the holey babble have to say about liars like tito, magluvin and bruce?
let's take a look at a few examples, chapter and verse.

proverbs 6:16-19
there are six things that the lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

proverbs 12:22
lying lips are an abomination to the lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.

proberbs 19:22
what is desirable in a man is his kindness, and it is better to be a poor man than a liar.

revelation 21:8
but as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

ephesians 4:29
let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

romans 1:32
though they know god's decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

first corinthians 6:9-10
or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of god? do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of god.


have fun in hell you deceitful liars... 

magluvin claims i don't seem to have any proof at all for any of my 'arguments'...

Quote from: Magluvin on October 09, 2012, 10:28:26 PM
He seems to know a lot, but doesnt seem to have any proof at all for his arguments.

and then when i asked him "exactly what arguments do you think i need to provide proof for?" he replied:

Quote from: Magluvin on October 09, 2012, 11:50:06 PM
Its you who have the argument.  Your argument is that you have a big itchy problem with people that say they know God.

LMFAO!!!  do you see how asinine and nonsensical you are yet mags?

Quote from: eatenbyagrue on October 09, 2012, 09:18:13 PM

In response, I would say:


A changed life is not evidence of god.  You may well be scared to offend an imaginary god, and you try to follow the parts of the Bible that are not so bad.  So, you have changed your life.  But it is you who changed it, not a god.


There is no direct evidence that Jesus rose from the dead.  The Bible is not good evidence of this, no more than the Greek books are evidence of Zeus and Poseidon.


Please name 3 specific prophecies of Jesus, so I can evaluate this claim.  Are you referring to some kind of predictions he made, a la Nostradamus?  And was Nostradamus the son of god too?


The things you say about the brain and wind are meaningless.  I can say the same about Santa Claus.  But it is appropriate you come back to faith, as that is what it takes to believe in god.  But this is not a good thing, as faith is defined as belief without evidence.  Why is this a good thing, again?

The PROPHECIES of the Bible have either come to pass, (past tense), are in the process of coming to pass (present tense) or will come to pass (future tense).  There are SO MANY prophecies in the Bible but here are a few to wet your appetite.  These are "past tense" prophecies, having already seen their fulfillment.  And unlike Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, etc, ALL bible prophecies are ACCURATE 100% of the TIME!  HA! Evidence... We are just getting warmed up!!!

"Does the Old Testament contain any prophecies about the Messiah?"

Yes! The Old Testament contains about FOUR HUNDRED AND TWENTY-FIVE prophecies about the Messiah. Here is a small sample (in roughly chronological order):

GOD WOULD COME TO EARTH

BE BORN AS A HUMAN MALE

Isaiah 9:6-7[/size] [6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. ... 700 B.C.[/size]

Mark 1:1[/size] The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

John 1:1-3, 14[/size] [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] He was with God in the beginning. [3] Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. [14] The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

BORN OF A VIRGIN

Isaiah 7:14[/size] Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. 700 B.C.[/size]

Mattthew 1:20-23[/size] [20] But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. [21] She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins." [22] All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: [23] "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" --which means, "God with us."

FROM THE HOUSE OF JUDAH

Isaiah 37:31[/size] Once more a remnant of the house of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above. 700 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 1:1-2, 16[/size] [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son [descendant] of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, [16] and [a later] Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

FROM THE ROOT AND STUMP OF JESSE

Isaiah 11:10[/size] In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. 700 B.C.[/size]

Isaiah 11:1-5[/size] [1] A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. [2] The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD-- [3] and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; [4] but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. [5] Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist. 700 B.C.[/size]

Romans 15:12[/size] And again, Isaiah says, "The Root of Jesse will spring up, one who will arise to rule over the nations; the Gentiles will hope in him."

Matthew 1:1-2a, 5-6, 16[/size] [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, ... [5] ... Obed the father of Jesse, [6] and Jesse the father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

FROM THE HOUSE OF DAVID

Isaiah 16:5[/size] In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it--one from the house of David--one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness. 700 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 1:1-2A, 6, 16[/size] [1] A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: [2] Abraham was the father of Isaac, ... [6] and Jesse the father of King David. [16] and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

BORN IN BETHLEHEM EPHRATHAH

Micah 5:2[/size] But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times. 700 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 2:1[/size] After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

Over the years there have been a number of "Bethlehems" in Israel. At the time of Jesus' birth, Bethlehem Ephrathah, referred to in Matthew as "Bethlehem in Judea", was a village about five miles south of Jerusalem, and there also was a town named Bethlehem about seven miles northwest of Nazareth. (Per footnote Matthew 2:1 of the Zondervan NIV Study Bible, 10th Anniversary Edition, (c) 1995)

BE FROM NAZARETH OF GALILEE

Isaiah 9:1-2[/size] [1] Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the Gentiles, by the way of the sea, along the Jordan -- [2] The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned. 700 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 2:22-23[/size] [22] But when he heard that Archelaus was reigning in Judea in place of his father Herod, he was afraid to go there. Having been warned in a dream, he withdrew to the district of Galilee, [23] and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene."

Matthew 4:13-16[/size] [13] Leaving Nazareth, he [Jesus] went and lived in Capernaum, which was by the lake in the area of Zebulun and Naphtali-- [14] to fulfill what was said through the prophet Isaiah: [15] "Land of Zebulun and land of Naphtali, the way to the sea, along the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles -- [16] the people living in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death a light has dawned."

HIS BIRTH WOULD TRIGGER A MASSACRE OF INFANT BOYS

Jeremiah 31:15[/size] This is what the LORD says: "A voice is heard in Ramah, mourning and great weeping, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are no more." 625 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 2:16-18[/size] [16] When Herod realized that he had been outwitted by the Magi, he was furious, and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi. [17] Then what was said through the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: [18] "A voice is heard in Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more."



COME OUT OF EGYPT

Hosea 11:1[/size] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son. 725 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 2:14-15[/size] [14] So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt, [15] where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

MISSION WOULD INCLUDE THE GENTILES

Isaiah 49:6[/size] he [the Lord] says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth." 700 B.C.[/size]

Isaiah 42:1-4, 6[/size] [1] "Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations. [2] He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. [3] A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; [4] he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope." [6] "I, the LORD, have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, 700 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 12:14-21[/size] [14] But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus. [15] Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, [16] warning them not to tell who he was. [17] This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: [18] "Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations. [19] He will not quarrel or cry out; no one will hear his voice in the streets. [20] A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he leads justice to victory. [21] In his name the nations will put their hope."

Note that in Biblical usage the Gentiles are often referred to as "the nations."

MINISTRY WOULD INCLUDE MIRACULOUS HEALINGS

Isaiah 29:18[/size] In that day the deaf will hear the words of the scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see. 700 B.C.[/size]

Isaiah 35:5-6a[/size] [5] Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. [6a] Then will the lame leap like a deer, and the mute tongue shout for joy. 700 B.C.[/size]

Luke 7:20-22[/size] [20] When the men came to Jesus, they said, "John the Baptist sent us to you to ask, `Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?' " [21] At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind. [22] So he replied to the messengers, "Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor."

MINISTRY WOULD DELIVER SPIRITUAL CAPTIVES

Isaiah 61:1-2[/size] [1] The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, [2] to proclaim the year of the LORD's favor and the day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, 700 B.C.[/size]

Luke 4:16-21[/size] [16] He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. [17] The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: [18] "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, [19] to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor." [20] Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, [21] and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."


DESPISED AND REJECTED BY MEN

Isaiah 53:3[/size] He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 700 B.C.[/size]

The Crucifixion narratives in all four Gospels show this prophecy fulfilled.

HATED WITHOUT CAUSE

Psalm 69:4[/size] Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal. 1000 B.C.[/size]

Isaiah 49:7[/size] This is what the LORD says-- the Redeemer and Holy One of Israel-- to him who was despised and abhorred by the nation, to the servant of rulers: "Kings will see you and rise up, princes will see and bow down, because of the LORD, who is faithful, the Holy One of Israel, who has chosen you." 700 B.C.[/size]

John 7:48-49[/size] "Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him? [49] No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law--there is a curse on them."

John 15:24-25[/size] [24] If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. [25] But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: `They hated me without reason.'

REJECTED BY RULERS

Psalm 118:22[/size] The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone [cornerstone of a building]; [23] the LORD has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes. before 400 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 21:42[/size] Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:" `The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes' ?

John 7:48-49[/size] Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in him? [49] No! But this mob that knows nothing of the law--there is a curse on them.

REJECTED BY HIS OWN BROTHERS

Psalms 69:8[/size] I am a stranger to my brothers, an alien to my own mother's sons 1000 B.C.[/size]

(Side note: this pretty much kills the Catholic Church's claim that when the Gospels name Jesus' brothers they are talking about His cousins.)

Mark 3:20-21[/size] [20] Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. [21] When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

John 7:1-5[/size] [1] After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. [2] But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, [3] Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. [4] No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." [5] For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

BETRAYED FOR 30 PIECES OF SILVER

Zechariah 11:12[/size] I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 500 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 26:14-15[/size] [14] Then one of the Twelve--the one called Judas Iscariot--went to the chief priests [15] and asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins.

SILVER RETURNED

SILVER USED TO BUY POTTER'S FIELD

Zechariah 11:12-13[/size] [12] I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. [13] And the LORD said to me, "Throw it to the potter"--the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter. 500 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 27:3-10[/size] [3] When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. [4] "I have sinned," he said, "for I have betrayed innocent blood." "What is that to us?" they replied. "That's your responsibility." [5] So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. [6] The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." [7] So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. [8] That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. [9] Then what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: "They took the thirty silver coins, the price set on him by the people of Israel, [10] and they used them to buy the potter's field, as the Lord commanded me."

DISCIPLES WOULD SCATTER

Zechariah 13:7[/size] "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, against the man who is close to me!" declares the LORD Almighty. "Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn my hand against the little ones." 500 B.C.[/size]

Matthew 26:31[/size] Then Jesus told them, "This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: " `I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.'"

[font=]BEATEN WITH A ROD[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Micah 5:1[/font][font=] Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Mark 15:19[/font][font=] Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]GIVEN VINEGAR AND GALL TO DRINK[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Psalm 69:21[/font][font=] They put gall in my food and gave me vinegar for my thirst.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]1000 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Matthew 27:34[/font][font=] There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Matthew 27:48[/font][font=] Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]HANDS AND FEET NAILED[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Psalm 22:16[/font][font=] Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]1000 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]John 20:25[/font][font=] So the other disciples told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it."[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]CRUSHED FOR OUR INIQUITIES[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:5-6[/font][font=] [5] But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. [6] We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Romans 4: 25[/font][font=] He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]1 Corinthians 15:3[/font][font=] [/font][font=](NAB*)[/font][font=] I handed on to you first of all what I myself received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures[/font][font=]
*NAB=New American Bible (not NASB=New American Standard Bible) [/font]

[font=]SUFFERED FOR THE SINS OF OTHERS[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Psalm 69:4[/font][font=] Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]1000 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:5-6[/font][font=] [5] But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. [6] We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Romans 4: 25[/font][font=] He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]1 Corinthians 15:3[/font][font=] [/font][font=](NAB)[/font][font=] I handed on to you first of all what I myself received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]PIERCED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:5[/font][font=] But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Zechariah 12:10[/font][font=] And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]500 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]John 19:33-34; 36-37 [/font][font=][33] But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. [34] Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. [36] These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken," [37] and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]NO BONES BROKEN[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Psalm 22:17[/font][font=] I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]1000 B.C.[/font][font=]

[/font][font=]Psalm 34:20[/font][font=] he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]1000 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]John 19:33; 36a [/font][font=][33] But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. [36a] These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken,"[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]It is important to realize that crucifixion victims' legs normally were broken. And yet, a thousand years before the Crucifixion of Jesus, King David foretold that the Messiah would die in an unusual way. See [/font][font=]Forensic Pathology Report on Jesus[/font][font=]. [/font]

[font=]SOLDIERS GAMBLE FOR HIS CLOTHES[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Psalm 22:18[/font][font=] They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]1000 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Matthew 27:35[/font][font=] When they had crucified him, they divided up his clothes by casting lots.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]BRUTALLY KILLED[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:8[/font][font=] By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]See all four Gospels. [/font]

[font=]ASSIGNED A GRAVE WITH THE WICKED[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:9[/font][font=] He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Crucifixion was normally reserved for criminals and people the Romans wanted to "make an example of". As a crucifixion victim, Jesus would have been assigned a grave (if any) with such people. [/font]

[font=]BURIED IN A RICH MAN'S TOMB[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:9[/font][font=] He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death[/font][font=] ... [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Matthew 27:57,59-60[/font][font=] [57] As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. [59] Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, [60] and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]THE MESSIAH WOULD RETURN FROM THE DEAD[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:8, 11[/font][font=] [8] By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For [/font][font=]he was cut off from the land of the living[/font][font=]; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. [11] [/font][font=]After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life[/font][font=] and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Matthew 28:2, 5-7, 9[/font][font=] [2] There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. [5] The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. [6] He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. [7] Then go quickly and tell his disciples: `[/font][font=]He has risen from the dead[/font][font=] and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you." [9] Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]FAMILIAR WITH SUFFERING[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Isaiah 53:3[/font][font=] He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.[/font][font=] [/font][font=]700 B.C.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]The Crucifixion of Jesus was not an anomoly in how people treated Him:[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]He was "run out of town" at several places.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Mark 5:14-17[/font][font=] [14] Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, and the people went out to see what had happened. [15] When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of demons, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. [16] Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the demon- possessed man--and told about the pigs as well. [17] Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region.[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]People tried to stone Him.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]John 10:31-33[/font][font=] [31] Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, [32] but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?" [33] "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]Some Jewish leaders conspired to kill Him.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]John 7:1[/font][font=] After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Matthew 12:14[/font][font=] But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]His own family thought He was crazy.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]Mark 3:20-21[/font][font=] [20] Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. [21] When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]His brothers told Him to go to a festival, expecting He would be killed.[/font][font=] [/font]

[font=]John 7:1-3, 5[/font][font=] [1] After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. [2] But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, [3] Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do." [5] For even his own brothers did not believe in him.[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]His disciples abandoned Him.[/font][font=] [/font]

·         [/font][/size][font=]He was crucified.[/font][font=][/font]

nice cut and paste WITHOUT noting your sources... so on top of being a pretentious, sanctimonious, mendacious, illogical, unreasonable, unscientific troll you are now a plagiarist too...  i took a screenshot so don't bother to edit it now...  and have fun in hell...

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 10, 2012, 08:12:27 AM

The PROPHECIES of the Bible have either come to pass, (past tense), are in the process of coming to pass (present tense) or will come to pass (future tense).  There are SO MANY prophecies in the Bible but here are a few to wet your appetite.  These are "past tense" prophecies, having already seen their fulfillment.  And unlike Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, etc, ALL bible prophecies are ACCURATE 100% of the TIME!  HA! Evidence... We are just getting warmed up!!!

again you lie!
luke 1:26-38
the angel who appears to mary to foretell the birth of jesus says that jesus will be given the throne of david, that he will reign over the house of jacob forever, and that his kingdom will never end. none of this took place nor can it now be fulfilled.
matthew 16:28, mark 9:1, luke 9:27
jesus says that some of his listeners will not taste death before he comes again in his kingdom. this was said almost 2000 years ago. all of his listeners are now dead... yet jesus has not come again in his kingdom. all of the alleged words of jesus put forth in the bible are therefore suspect.

but enough of your lies and bullshit petitio principii logical fallacies you poseur...
lets start with your observation...
it could be something along the line of 'the universe is vast and complex'

then we go on to your hypothesis...
for you it would most likely be 'god created the universe'

then you would design an experiment to demonstrate the validity of your hypothesis...
this is the part that we agnostics (and atheists) would be most interested in.

and so on...