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Probality of God

Started by Newton II, September 14, 2012, 01:33:36 AM

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hoptoad

#815
October 20, 2012, 03:29:14 AM
Quote from: Magluvin on October 20, 2012, 01:12:33 AM
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The Bible, written way back, describes these things very well. How could that be?
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Since the bible is written by men, about men, it is hardly surprising that issues back then, were really no different to issues now. Humans should learn from history, but rarely do, so that which has already happened will happen again with regular predictability. Those who do not learn from history are history bound to repeat it.


The real change in the last two thousand years of history, is the way we do things,(i.e. our technology) but not the actual things we do, and the reasons we do them. Our technological evolution has outpaced our social evolution, and with it has emerged the mirage that we are somehow different to the people of 2 millenia ago. But intrinsically, we are no different.

It is because we are no different today, than 'back then', that many of the moral, ethical and social lessons contained in some religious scripts are as relevent today as then. The message and its meaning are found within the plot, not the time, the place or the characters.

The stories are dealing with issues about the human condition, as it applies to all of us, and are not about the individual characters within the story, who are just the vehicle for conveying the message in the story.
For that reason, stories by homer or shakespeare will also be timeless in there nature, and forboding in their apparent pre-cogniscence of things to come.

sparks

#816
October 20, 2012, 08:14:43 AM
    2000 years or so ago something happened that threatened the reptiles in Jerusalem.  I don't think it is probable that a number of people suffered from a common delusion.  I don't think it probable that the Jewish politicians and the Roman politicians of the time went to the trouble of rounding up and killing people because they were comfortable with Christian philosophy.  I don't think polluting the Christians with Roman idolatry just happened by chance.  I don't care what you believe to be God like but some of the accounts these biblical authors came up with are pretty super human.  Like when some selfrighteous pricks were stoning a prostitute to death and Christ walked in and said whoever has never fuckedup throw the next stone.  The democrats disbursed.  Or when his own entourage told him that a gentile wasn't worth Christ's attention and he got pissed.  I find it improbable that a natural man would be able to call for the forgiveness of his executioners with his last breath.  Maybe Christ only existed in the minds of these humans but doesn't all human reality exist in the mind?
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Bruce_TPU

#817
October 20, 2012, 10:34:44 AM
Quote from: hoptoad on October 20, 2012, 03:29:14 AM
Since the bible is written by men, about men, it is hardly surprising that issues back then, were really no different to issues now. Humans should learn from history, but rarely do, so that which has already happened will happen again with regular predictability. Those who do not learn from history are history bound to repeat it.


The real change in the last two thousand years of history, is the way we do things,(i.e. our technology) but not the actual things we do, and the reasons we do them. Our technological evolution has outpaced our social evolution, and with it has emerged the mirage that we are somehow different to the people of 2 millenia ago. But intrinsically, we are no different.

It is because we are no different today, than 'back then', that many of the moral, ethical and social lessons contained in some religious scripts are as relevent today as then. The message and its meaning are found within the plot, not the time, the place or the characters.

The stories are dealing with issues about the human condition, as it applies to all of us, and are not about the individual characters within the story, who are just the vehicle for conveying the message in the story.
For that reason, stories by homer or shakespeare will also be timeless in there nature, and forboding in their apparent pre-cogniscence of things to come.
Hi Hoptoad,

A very well written prose.  Some of which I actually agree with!  Who'd have thunk it!

But, alas, here is where we differ.

ALL scripture (everyone of the 66 books of the bible) are INSPIRED of God by his Holy Spirit, as men of old were moved by His Spirit.  It is given for reproof and instruction in righteousness (defined as right standing with God) so that the CHILD OF GOD might be complete.

You are right, that for an UNBELIEVER to read the bible, it may as well be a history book.  BUT once one comes to faith in JESUS CHRIST, it becomes ALIVE.  A LIVING WORD.  As I have stated MANY times now, that just the BIBLE PROPHECY contained within the pages of the BIBLE, are EVIDENCE to the unbiased searcher of truth that the Scriptures are indeed true.

Scripture are to be interpreted with other scripture.

Man NEVER rights books about how evil and unrighteous he is, nor about his downfalls and sins.  Just reading through the self righteous posts of many, on this thread, are evidence of that....lol

Yet the bible does just that.  It starts with creation and the fall of man from fellowship with God, for which he was created, and a prophecy of said fellowships future restoration and then ends with the restoration of said fellowship, living forever in the prescense of God, during the 1000 year reign of Christ. 

Because of the Bible, I also know the future events and can understand present day events in light of those prophecies.

Satan quotes the bible all of the time, but uses it twisted and out of context. .... ie his discourse with eve, and the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness.
"Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen."  (Matthew 5:18)
God's Son comes from heaven and is above all others. Everyone who comes from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks about earthly things. The one who comes from heaven is above all others.  (John 3:31)

He speaks about what he has seen and heard, and yet no one believes him.  (John 3:32)

But everyone who does believe him has shown that God is truthful.  (John 3:33)

The Son was sent to speak God's message, and he has been given the full power of God's Spirit.  (John 3:34)

The Father loves the Son and has given him everything.  (John 3:35)

Everyone who has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever.  (John 3:36)

Walking with Christ,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Gwandau

#818
October 20, 2012, 10:41:11 AM
@ Tito and those believeing in same god,

A god that demands total trust from you in spite of his total physical absence, who is physically indifferent to the injustice and suffering in his creation, indifferent to the horrors that so many children experience everyday before dying young and suffering, is not a god that would strike home in my heart.

Such a god is to me the very manifestation of sadism.

Even if this kind of estranged god actually existed that you propose, this god seems hopelessly twisted. I would never obey such a mad god.


Still I want to do my best to express my love and care for those that suffers, and I will do so to the day of my death.


Now mr.Tito and all you other guys obeying this god of yours, here comes my question:

After have lived a long life in love and caring efforts, am I thereafter forced to enter your heaven, or do I have a choice, since I really do not want to be associated with a place linked to your god?

Or am I getting shunted down to the hellish regions, since I only was a loving and caring person without believing in your god?


Please keep from any loud advertising and just answer my question, since I really do not like your god and don't want to have too much to do with him.


Gwandau

WilbyInebriated

#819
October 20, 2012, 11:21:00 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 20, 2012, 10:34:44 AM
ALL scripture (everyone of the 66 books of the bible) are INSPIRED of God by his Holy Spirit, as men of old were moved by His Spirit.  It is given for reproof and instruction in righteousness (defined as right standing with God) so that the CHILD OF GOD might be complete.

You are right, that for an UNBELIEVER to read the bible, it may as well be a history book.  BUT once one comes to faith in JESUS CHRIST, it becomes ALIVE.  A LIVING WORD.  As I have stated MANY times now, that just the BIBLE PROPHECY contained within the pages of the BIBLE, are EVIDENCE to the unbiased searcher of truth that the Scriptures are indeed true.

Scripture are to be interpreted with other scripture.

Man NEVER rights books about how evil and unrighteous he is, nor about his downfalls and sins.  Just reading through the self righteous posts of many, on this thread, are evidence of that....lol

Yet the bible does just that.  It starts with creation and the fall of man from fellowship with God, for which he was created, and a prophecy of said fellowships future restoration and then ends with the restoration of said fellowship, living forever in the prescense of God, during the 1000 year reign of Christ. 

Because of the Bible, I also know the future events and can understand present day events in light of those prophecies.

Satan quotes the bible all of the time, but uses it twisted and out of context. .... ie his discourse with eve, and the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness.
"Heaven and earth may disappear. But I promise you that not even a period or comma will ever disappear from the Law. Everything written in it must happen."  (Matthew 5:18)
God's Son comes from heaven and is above all others. Everyone who comes from the earth belongs to the earth and speaks about earthly things. The one who comes from heaven is above all others.  (John 3:31)

He speaks about what he has seen and heard, and yet no one believes him.  (John 3:32)

But everyone who does believe him has shown that God is truthful.  (John 3:33)

The Son was sent to speak God's message, and he has been given the full power of God's Spirit.  (John 3:34)

The Father loves the Son and has given him everything.  (John 3:35)

Everyone who has faith in the Son has eternal life. But no one who rejects him will ever share in that life, and God will be angry with them forever.  (John 3:36)

Walking with Christ,

Bruce
stupid is as stupid does... furthermore, that nonsense you posted is nothing more than your asinine opinion, not a fact.

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 20, 2012, 10:34:44 AM
Man NEVER rights books about how evil and unrighteous he is, nor about his downfalls and sins.  Just reading through the self righteous posts of many, on this thread, are evidence of that....lol
more of your blatant lying... man has written numerous books about how evil and unrighteous man can be.  you'd know this if you had ever read a book other than your holey babble.
There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater...
the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public.  - Mr. Universe
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