Quote from: WilbyInebriated on October 20, 2012, 12:28:18 PM
i quote bruce the godtard and it's empty... how appropriate!


james 1:26
those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.

Yeah, empty.  Just the way you want the readers to 'see' it. Wilbythetwister. That was a weak poke and accomplished nothing but to show that this is all you have for argument.    Now tell me, am I lying?

Tight rein on their tongues?   According to you, the quote was blank!!!!  Again, your argument is 'empty', because you have no case. Just twist.


Magzimus Leviticus 

  @Mags and Bruce,

Wow, you guys are even blinder than the blind, since they at least know they are blind.

And there is another more nasty touch to the belief of the faither, since he actually believe that he know!!! 

But don't you see? : TO BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW IS STILL JUST BELIEVING.

It doesn't matter if you have a deep communication with an inner voice, because this inner voice could be anything but the voice of any god, and that is exactly what this thread is about: PROBABILITIES.

I am beginning to understand why you guys really cannot see beyond your christian firewalls. You are all so well locked in within the boundaries of faith that you cannot in any possible way see beyond that encasement.

The sole reason for my last input was to elucidate the unsound mental setup behind the christian faith, and what was the reaction? I am now approached by zombie like behaviour, playing on patronizing strings with the hope to call forth the sheep to lead it "home". But I am a Lion, and I eat sheep for breakfast, so there goes that hope.

I understand your predicament, reality is such a cruel and unfair place, so who can refuse that option to be kept in a "safe" place, shielded against the absolute indifference of reality, tucked to bed every night by the assurance of your inner voice. (a highly probable definition of "inner voice": voice of the unconsciousness, adapting to fit your needs)

But that doesn't give you the right to start indoctrinate others. By doing that you are no better than the dope pusher, who says: try this.

It is really very close to the situation of a drug addict, and maybe that's why the drug addict with a near fatal OD so easily is converted to the cosy confines of your religion, since it is an excellent substitute to his former drug-shield against reality.

It has been very interesting to study the mental setup and the type of adapted brands of quasi logic fascilitated by you faithers here at this thread, and since I am fully aware that your religious experiences are genuine seen from your personal point of view, I would never doubt your honesty.

But since the religious experience of any religious tribe, not only christanity, all are absolutely void of proof in the scientific sense and does not in any way qualify the mythology behind any religion, every single religious experience ever experienced are a mere personal experience and should be kept as such.

It is the step from a personal experience into claiming it being the truth for everyone that equalizes the believer lost in delusion of knowledge with psychiatric cases.
A mental patient not being aware of his/hers mental disorder is suffering of anosognosia and we all see how well this fits to the group of belivers that believe that they actually know.

I must consider you as lost cases, since the intricacy and complexity of the self applied locks on your doors of pereception have made you into both the prisoner and the warden.

I must also agree that those guys that created this pattern of self imprisonment were brilliant, since people all over the world are falling into this trap like mouse into the bucket mouse trap.

Gwandau

Well ok. We definitely know where you stand. 

Thats fine. Thats the way it is. And we is the way that we is.  You made your choice and we ours. But that disturbs you that we made our choices the way we have. Its clear in your post above.

In your post, you seem to come up with some reasons why we might choose as we do. That is because you dont know why, even though we tell you. But we know why you made your choice. Even if you didnt tell us. Its all in the Bible.

Magzimus Leviticus

Hi Mags,

It saddens me that it is so difficult for them to see.  If I wrote to you describing my wife, and our 25 year relationship and all she has done for me, and if you didn't believe me, and suggested my wife was a figment of my imagination, etc., and then you would act dumbfounded that I still claim to have a wife, and I am not swept away by your argument.

This is what they can not possibly understand, no matter how many times we tell it.   Hey Mags, I have a relationship with Jesus.  I met him when I was 17.  I have known him and walked with him for over 30 years.  I could fill novels of his miracles he has done on my behalf, and of his power he has revealed in me and through me.  He speaks clearly to me, and also speaks to me daily through his Word.  No religion.  But they can't comprehend, and refuse to understand.  So I give them over to the Lord to reveal himself to them.  He is sovereign, and has a way of getting each of our attention, in ways that we can understand.  They can neither understand nor comprehend.  For the natural man understands not the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to them.  So be it. 

I wish and pray salvation for each of them.  But, no one comes unto the Father, unless his Holy Spirit draws their heart.  Only the Holy Spirit can remove the blinders from their heart, that they might believe, and in believing, be saved.

The Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family with peace,

Bruce

Quote from: Magluvin on October 20, 2012, 05:30:40 PM
Well ok. We definitely know where you stand. 

Thats fine. Thats the way it is. And we is the way that we is.  You made your choice and we ours. But that disturbs you that we made our choices the way we have. Its clear in your post above.

Absolutely not,

the only thing that disturbs me is the attitude that all possible ways to push your dope is OK, as long as you succeed in getting one more addicted, especially when this even includes the conditioning of the children, totally unaware of the violation made upon their free will and totally unable to defend themselves.

Quote from: Magluvin on October 20, 2012, 05:30:40 PM
In your post, you seem to come up with some reasons why we might choose as we do. That is because you dont know why, even though we tell you. But we know why you made your choice. Even if you didnt tell us. Its all in the Bible.

Magzimus Leviticus

Sorry but wrong again,

I know exactly what kind of events and psycological background that lies behind peoples descisions to take the jump into faith.
And I don't blame them, I just feel pity for them, since what seems to be saving them is actually imprisoning them.

And I was not referring to your conscious reasons for your choices, I was describing the scenario BEHIND it all. You see, in many cases ones reasons for making a choice is not the real reason. That's why it is extremely important to question every important decision you make in your life BEFORE you make it, and critically evaluate it from every angle possible.


                       "God did not create man in his own image, Man did create God in his own image."

                                                        "Religion is the opium of the masses."



Gwandau