Phil

Your test seems so simple .. I have access to persons here that help me all the time with measurements and testing  to acceptable industry standards.

Besides the high temp oven [have a few],is there any other piece of equipment
required ?[besides volt... temp meters]
Could you give a quick list of equipment?

I would be happy to run this test absolutely no charge,it could be run to
the level of a testing lab .

The fellows that will be checking my protocol and results are the types that can interpret the data and get it into university quickly.

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thx
Chetkremens@gmail.com

QuoteIn classical thermodynamics, the laws of thermodynamics are basic postulates applicable to any
system involving measurable heat transfer. In statistical thermodynamics, the second law is a
consequence of unitarity in quantum theory[citation needed]. In classical thermodynamics, however,
the second law defines the concept of thermodynamic entropy, while in statistical mechanics entropy
is defined from information theory, known as the Shannon entropy. In such instances, the second law
of thermodynamics is an expression of the tendency that over time, differences in temperature,
pressure, and chemical potential equilibrate in an isolated physical system so as to result in the
natural entropic dissolution of the system itself. From the state of thermodynamic equilibrium, the
law deduced the principle of the increase of entropy and explains the phenomenon of irreversibility
in nature. The second law declares that perpetual motion machines are impossible.
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Kelvin statement

Lord Kelvin expressed the second law as "It is impossible, by means of inanimate material agency, to
derive mechanical effect from any portion of matter by cooling it below the temperature of the
coldest of the surrounding objects.[7] This may be restated as[4]
“     No process is possible in which the sole result is the absorption of heat from a reservoir
and its complete conversion into work.     â€

This means it is impossible to extract energy by heat from a high-temperature energy source and then
convert all of the energy into work. At least some of the energy must be passed on to heat a low-
temperature energy sink. Thus, a heat engine exhibiting 100% efficiency is thermodynamically
impossible. This also means that it is impossible to build solar panels that generate electricity
solely from the infrared band of the electromagnetic spectrum without consideration of the
temperature on the other side of the panel (as is the case with conventional solar panels that
operate in the visible spectrum).

Note that it is possible to convert heat completely into work, such as the isothermal expansion of
ideal gas. However, such a process has an additional result. In the case of the isothermal
expansion, the volume of the gas increases and never goes back without outside interference.

I don't see how the $10 test using the TV tube violates the Second Law of Thermodynamics.  Perhaps someone could explain this?  From my perspective the Second Law is just fine.

MileHigh

Hi Philip,

I think your doing an awesome job.

No matter what you do in life there is always going to be resistance. Just keep pushing through.

Validation will validate.

Hi Philip,  I will contact a University near me which I have heard was doing some research into alternative energy.  I was told they were very interested in projects along that line.  If they show interest I'll put them in contact with you or give you a contact there. 

I think hollander has moved back into the Troll zone.  Compared to a lot of other threads on this nearly un-moderated forum (Wild Wild West compared to most forums) this message thread has been relatively troll free if that's any comfort. 

Thanks for the support and good words.


Thanks for the quick responses.


@ramset, I thank you most sincerely for your generous offer, and I have no doubt you can do the experiment to a high standard, but I have a reservation in that who will believe you any more than people will me? Will your data and vid be backed up by a recognised university?


Perhaps the answer is that you have offered to do it without the challenge money so another university can still take that to then validate your validation of my original work, and that of my independent.


The best outcome would be to have by early November 2 independent posted replications and then a news report so that at the launch we will be swamped with Big companies ready to get things going.


As to equipment I would like to keep it really simple but if you want to make it sophisticated then you should consult your protocol people.


A good basic experiment would be


At least 2 of the pentode devices, more would be better.


A sensitive un-powered moving coil meter (10uA preferred), I see little need to do pA or nA measurements when the device is only warm as the convincing proof is when you have 3uA, however if you choose to you can see the steady rise of output that accelerates rapidly near 500C, as predicted by calculation.


Back to back thermocouples to prove near zero temperature gradient across the devices when in the oven.


Video, of course.


Lab grade Oven (digitally controlled) capable of less than a degree of temp swing.


A large thermal load to mount the device in (say a 10lb block of metal with a cavity to put the device in) this gives a stable temp and guarantees no thermal gradients even if the oven has small fluctuations.


Lab Hot termination block for wires from the device.


Lab Cold termination block for wires to the meters.


High temp wire of your choice but all the wires must be made from the same piece so that there is no possibility of claims it is acting as a thermocouple.


You can do the null tests with
A wire link of any metal to replace the device under test.
A similar device but with the vacuum broken thus proving the effect is thermionic.
Of course any other tests you care to do.


You can also do identical devices in parallel to show the increase in current output by an integer multiple, this also proves that it is not RF but to satisfy the skeptics who claim all things as likely except a 2LV you will need to have care to show there is no RF, I used appropriate screening of wires from the oven to the meters, I suggest you do that and also have the ability to add RF capacitors (non polarized) to show no change to current. An oscilloscope also that can be connected to show no RF and that the output does not change when caps in and out. I say that is sufficient but I am happy if other checks are added, this should be simple so that it is also easy to understand.


There will be people that say this is too basic, let them tell us what reasonable extra things should be done, things like saying the device should have oxide coating removed from the cathode are asking a lot for doing such is almost impossible.


What the skeptics are never prepared to do is to consider that the results are not achievable by any other means, so it can be argued that doing the same test with deliberate temperature gradients across the device (in at least 3 directions) and seeing that the output does not change is a valid experimental test. Also it is necessary to hold the device for some time to show there is no fluctuation which the hardest skeptic will say is needed to prove it is not chemical, this idea of chemical is silly as it is a device that shows output to be directly tied to thermionic and it is a device that is probably 30+ years old, nonetheless the more we can tick off the objections of Uber skeptics the better.


Some have suggested it is because of radioactive cathode materials, this is not a possible mechanism and though a calculation of the device material quantity would prove that even if it were radioactive that could only give a pA if however you had the ability to give a device to a lab to actually check the cathode's material it would not hurt. You can appreciate there is a point where it all becomes too complex and some skeptics will still say it is not possible. Which is why I never pushed the valve experiment in preference to presenting the Quenco, but I want people to attend and so the Valve test should at least make some people pay attention.


In a sensible world the valve test should be front page by itself, funny how cold fusion had labs all round the World doing expensive experiments but this test needs to be pushed.


Thanks again to you ramset for your offer.


Phil