http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo

Quote from: ramset on October 31, 2012, 01:13:35 AM
HHhhmm
So Bruce selflessly Pursues at great personal time and expence what he percieves to be a viable way to harvest energy for the benefit of the community.........

And TK Selfishly perpetrates  a  Prank which costs many members of this community with very limited resources and time a great deal of money and time.....

What those "many members of this community" experience in such a case, is called LACK OF SPIRIT. Right?

Star dust .....

Yeh, I like that. Star dust .... it has a certain elegance to it, it sounds like a lyric for a song.

We're star dust. Children of the stars. Earthlings in the universe!

May be that's just a song in my head .. It sounds familiar  ... KneeDeep



... Now I remember, It was the "Rock God" David Bowie, and it was "Star Man"   

Quote from: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM
"probably in some vain attempt to try and say I cant be happy because I am not christian."
Well to you, happiness is just a matter of perception, right? 

Correct!

Quote from: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM
"There are those things that are universally perceived to be constant (true) but perhaps when revealed may not be so simple an example of that would be gravity."

So why is it so hard for you to believe that your perceptions are constant when it comes to God!! You make it sound like gravity is 'the' most mysterious thing. Yet you seem to have God all figured out.  Come on man, think. 

I do think for myself! I am not enslaved to the beliefs of others.

Quote from: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM

"I think it is a stupid statement and quite untrue. but believers in that theory would argue my perception is wrong."

And you guys argue that our perception is wrong.  Soo, were even?

Correct again you are doing well

Quote from: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM

"Many here argue my perception of OU which discounts it ever being possible is wrong. Perhaps it is. but I have been shown nothing by anyone to prove otherwise and until I do I will maintain that perception."

Thats a good point. There are also those such as you that discount us. I dont know if the balance is 'even' there. I guess there are differences in people. Some just get up every day and think, conjure and build relentlessly. Thats how things happen. Thats how things get done. Thats what gets you your new IPhone and direct injection, everything to the quality of bed you need to sleep best.
None of it happens by hanging around places that do things that you dont believe in and just be outspoken in your objections. Doesnt help them, them that 'do' things, not one iota. So why are you here???

Actually I don't 'discount' you but I do say give me proof and more importantly look for proof for yourself!

Quote from: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM

"You are lying when you say your (Bruce, Tito and I) perceptions are the same. you have a common belief, but I'll bet they vary. Perhaps not much but I bet they will vary. So your perceptions of the truth will actually be different. Therefore just perceptions. You also deliberately left out others whose perceptions are similar but perhaps even less aligned. How long did you ponder before leaving out say, Chet? There is differing beliefs in all differing denominations. Are you going to tell me you are 100% in accord with Jews and with Muslims. Surely you must be. I mean you all believe in the same God. "

Chet!!  Your right. Sorry Chet.  I should go back through and find them all.  My bad.  thanks for pointing that out.
You can call me what you will. Some Jews are still waiting for the Messiah, and some know that he already came. So when you reference Jews, dont put them all in one basket.  But yes, same God

If there are variations, not all of us argue those things, as much as you would have others believe.
There are many things that are argued that are minor compared to what is really important and agreed upon. I see that you cant understand that that is possible, sooo, oh well.


"What I just wrote above is yet another comment you will fail to respond to of the dozens you and your ilk have failed to comment on. Due to the very simple fact (perception) you cannot. At least not without deliberately deceiving (yet another perception of mine)."

Well, you were wrong.     There ya go thinking you know everything.

Not much of a response was it. and you have ignored all the others.

You also prove my point. By leaving out Muslims and then downplaying differences. you are admitting there are differences, from small ones to MAJOR ones. If there was only one God and he was consistent and spoke to each of you individually as you all claim he does as part of your 'proof'  Then there should be no differences you should all speak with one voice, but you don't, you are disparate and in that inconsistency is shown the falsehood of your perceptions.

Quote from: Magluvin on October 29, 2012, 08:04:51 PM



"I don't consider my perception more correct than others but will always challenge people to back up their perceptions with more than "you must have faith" its the catch cry of the faithers here and only because they have nothing else, without that cry they are moribund."

But you cant back up your 'perceptions' with anything other than speculation, imagination and not even a 'booklet' from thousands of years ago.  Nothing except what is in your head.


Mags

LOL a booklet from 1000 years ago.

Science has a history written into every rock, into every blade of grass into the orbits of our planets and the stars in our universe our 'booklet' goes back billions of years

We have barely begun to read it.

But you stick to your book of tales. It was written with children in mind.

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 29, 2012, 11:35:58 AM

That is why we are NOT to follow the perceptions of man!  For they lead to falsehood, and false religions.  God does not have a "perception", but he IS Truth.  Not the "perception" of truth, but the "essence" of Truth.  Your argument is accurate from the "perspective" of sinful man. 
God tell us what his "Truth" is, that we are ALL wrongdoers, in need of saving.  That we are ALL lost in need of Salvation.  That we are ALL without hope and without God.  That there is ONE answer to this malady, and that is the remedy of salvation in and through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You can explain your "perception" to the Father, as your excuse for rejecting so great a salvation.  Let me know how that goes for you......   

You do prattle on don't you. Keep repeating the mantra, It will help you sleep at night.