Quote from: hoptoad on November 01, 2012, 04:07:25 AM
I find it extremely offensive that you would compare an imaginary angel having a relationship with a woman (supposedly made in the image of god), with bestiality between a real man and a real animal. (which I also find offensive - to the animal).  I also find offensive, your flippant LOL attitude toward mysogyny in the bible.

I choose to worship the Creator and not the creation.  If you want to worship the creation (woman), then good luck with that.  I find it offensive for your hatred towards God.  Also, the first man and woman was made together in the image of God and they were called Man.  Adam and Eve was not the first man and woman.  They were not made in the image of God.  They were of a resurrection of a dying race.  The creation of man in Genesis 1:26-31 is not the same creation story of man in Genesis 2:7-23.  Adam was formed from the dust of the ground and Eve was created from Adam's rib.  They were created separate and not together as is found in Genesis 1.  They only became like God when their eyes were opened after eating from the forbidden tree in the middle of the garden.  They were not physically blind.  When they ate from the forbidden tree, then their pineal gland or third eye was fully opened and activated which allowed their spiritual body to ascend into the heavens and gain knowledge. This happens when we undergo a physical death.  God said they would surely die if they ate from the tree, and they did.  Then God made garments of skin and banished them from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

Matt 6:22 The lamp of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Gravock

Quote from: Gwandau on October 31, 2012, 06:09:15 PM
To all non Christanholics,

It is interesting that religion in so many cases incorporates a hierarchical leader with super powers. Is this only an attempt to impersonate the unexplained natural powers at hand, or is there a historical source of some kind behind all this sorrowful and fear ridden myths.

There is quite a big piece of morbidity apparent in almost all religions, like the morbid symbol of a torture device being the center of Christianity. If Christianity had been born today, would the symbol have been the electric chair instead of the cross? Probably. Or would the cross have been replaced by a syringe with Hibernal and white-coats taking care of the lunatic claiming to be the son of some god?

It is quite intriguing to speculate about the cause behind the dire psychology of this intricate psychological "nonreturn valve" system called religion. How clever the leaders have played upon the strings of the unconscioussness and the confused identification of the inner disalogue as being the voice of the god!

I think it is absolutely fantastic, and being here in this thread is such an opportunity, it's very much like going to the Zoo and watching all the strange creatures, knowing that they are behind their bars and I am free as a bird.

But what is the historical source behind all these quite different religions?  What do you non religious guys think?

For example, what if todays religions all are the systemized aftermath of ancient stigmatic effects played upon us by superior alien visitors, who for some reasons came here and violated our self esteem as a race by dominating us and thus leaving this unhealthy trail of stigma called religion all over the place.

One thing that indicates this is the Sumerian stories about the Annunaki with their long skulls, who maybe were the original Pharaos of pre-historic Egypt, who after leaving Earth later on were mimicked by the human leaders of historic Egypt who shaped the skulls of their offspring in the image of the Annunaki.

If this farfetched but hilarious theory is true, that would mean that all god-incorporating religions are unique to Earth, and that such religions are unlikely to happen on planets unvisited by superior races.

What's you own take on this?  And please Faithers spare me of your single minded repetitious reactions, there is no one here interested in your morbid sharing of your prison cells. This is a discussion for free men.


Gwandau

I think there are plenty of good reasons for religion No need to introduce third parties into it.

I believe religion has/had a purpose. Before there was formulated laws and the organised means to enforce those laws. you needed to apply rules. thus we see the lingering of those rules in religious beliefs. I have given the example of unclean meat. it was offensive to 'god' to eat unclean meat. actually it was a good way to make the less intellectual amongst us to not eat the disease ridden meats of the day. but only the fear of this vengeful god was enough to enforce it

God was the enforcer

God was also the explainer of the unexplainable. The so called god of the gaps. In a time before books and TV he was the entertainment (children's stories) He was used as the teacher, to help people to become wise. For children he was the boogie man. Don't pick your nose or you'll go to hell.

Even today this is the purpose of religion and god. Some people simply NEED god/religion they are unable to function properly without a crutch.

I personally don't believe in Aliens visiting us. Space and more importantly time is too vast. The chance of us existing at a time when another race within cooee of us happened to rise out of the stardust at the same time I think is too remote. The universe is big I mean really fucking big!

Things like the ornamental headgear is about separation. separating the rulers from the ruled, an indicator of position. look at fashions over the last couple of hundred years? what evidence is their of alien lifeforms influencing that?

Oh yeah I forgot Lady Gaga. I guess I am wrong.

Quote from: gravityblock on November 01, 2012, 03:18:59 AM
This is no different than bestiality.  If you think having intercourse with a lower life form, or any other life form for that matter which is not of your nature, wouldn't be a pollutant to you, then that is really appalling.  I guess you know a reprobate mystery like the watchers.

Gravock

So my contemptible little man. Are you a lower life form too, Or is it just women?


Mags I truly hope you don't follow this persons 'witness'

Quote from: gravityblock on November 01, 2012, 06:28:02 AM
I choose to worship the Creator and not the creation.  If you want to worship the creation (woman), then good luck with that.  I find it offensive for your hatred towards God.  Also, the first man and woman was made together in the image of God and they were called Man.  Adam and Eve was not the first man and woman.  They were not made in the image of God.  They were of a resurrection of a dying race.  The creation of man in Genesis 1:26-31 is not the same creation story of man in Genesis 2:7-23.  Adam was formed from the dust of the ground and Eve was created from Adam's rib.  They were created separate and not together as is found in Genesis 1.  They only became like God when their eyes were opened after eating from the forbidden tree in the middle of the garden.  They were not physically blind.  When they ate from the forbidden tree, then their pineal gland or third eye was fully opened and activated which allowed their spiritual body to ascend into the heavens and gain knowledge. This happens when we undergo a physical death.  God said they would surely die if they ate from the tree, and they did.  Then God made garments of skin and banished them from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

Matt 6:22 The lamp of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Gravock

And this, my friends, is why theists are ridiculed.

Quote from: gravityblock on November 01, 2012, 06:28:02 AMGod said they would surely die if they ate from the tree, and they did.  Then God made garments of skin and banished them from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

Here is a question: Did God explained to them what the notion of death is, since if they were the first on the planet, they never had seen or experienced it or understand it. Furthermore, if God even explained to them what it is (but the bible doesn't mention that) the way the bible was written (where is as many interpretations of the bible as many denominations in the world) then what they really understood? Thus, the punishment is highly controversial. (The bible attempts to show God as a fair judge).
There are some interpretators of the bible who say that there were other people outside of the paradise. Then, here is a question: how do I know whose descendant I am? To those from the Paradise or those other ones? (The punishment refers to those from Paradise.)