Red, you are grasping at straws. We all know what is meant in this context by 'Indefinitely'. We mean that the system runs on its own power, not anything supplied from outside, for LONGER than it possibly could on an internally stored energy source like a battery, OR a PRECHARGE OF COMPRESSED AIR AND ELEVATED WATER HEAD. MrWayne has not demonstrated this to ANYONE that we know about, especially not Mark Dansie. What he was shown did NOT satisfy him, remember? And since then he's been put off more than once for a re-visit, AND.... the device he saw is no longer being shown. Is it?

Where is the simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself? What part of MrWayne's words are you going to accuse me of misinterpreting here?

As far as the "overunity" air conditioner goes, my recollection is fine, and nothing in your quote changes anything: Mister Wayne believes that an air conditioner can be overunity if you do not take into account the energy it takes to run it. And the same goes for the Hydro Differential Pressure system, the Zed.  Duh.

And as far as Seamus10n goes: yes indeed his contribution is valuable. He calls your and MrWayne's bluff in the most uncompromising terms. He states the facts of physics as they are and makes you try to justify your claims, and the more you try the bigger you fail. THAT is why honest and educated and outspoken skeptics are not welcomed by you or others of your ilk. We challenge you to prove your claims, and you cannot.



Where is the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself"? Am I misunderstanding Mister Wayne's EXACT WORDS here? Does he mean "overunity like an air conditioner" in this phrase, or does he mean something that makes MORE ENERGY OUTPUT THAN INPUT? That should be easy to demonstrate. I know I could do it, without revealing any proprietary information. And I'll bet you could too. IF, that is, you ever had anything to demonstrate.... which you do not.

How was the clear overunity determined, and what is the input work and the output work of this system?

What, exactly, is your justification for why this system cannot be shown and why the two questions cannot be answered?

Quote from: Red_Sunset on November 03, 2012, 09:30:26 AM
TinselKoala,
WOoooh...I thought that I was fairly good at mastering the English language and believed that American was quite similar.
Never realized that "Let me translate that into English for you:  It didn't work." could mean so many things!

And in this case it means that the SelfRunning System doesn't run itself for long enough to prove that it runs itself. In other words.... it DOESN'T WORK. Should I have included "as claimed"? OK, The Hydro Differential Pressure Exchange System DOES NOT WORK AS CLAIMED, and nothing we have been shown or told, and nothing Mark Dansie has seen and shared with us, changes that evaluation.

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To demonstrate "Indefinitely" is going to take a 'bloody long time' in all contexts,

Longer than, say, three years? Which is how long Mister Wayne has been making his claims, I believe. I have electromechanical systems in my home that have been running continuously for over three years and I'll bet you do too. Some of them are even heatpumps that could be called overunity IF the input power isn't considered, like Mister Wayne's air conditioner. But for a thing like the Zed system, still in development, I'd say a solid WEEK of operating continuously without intervention, making usable output power..... that would be a lot more impressive than "under four hours" which is the best we've had claimed so far. Still not conclusive though: after a week of self running, I'd want to see evidence that the precharge is still there, then I'd want to take it apart, reassemble it and start it up again. Nothing is too much for due diligence, on a device that will put 90 percent of Mister Wayne's oilman neighbors out of business for good.

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All jokes aside,
This was a bit of a overdose, especially implying that Mark as a OU/FE validation investigator doesn't see on site what you are imagining to see from a video.

Mark Dansie was not satisfied, was he? And the items I point out in the video ARE there, aren't they?

QuoteThis is going to be promising for the next validation exercise coming up.
Let's not allow it to slide into the ridiculous

Do you mean the "validation exercise" that should have taken place last weekend, but couldn't, because the device was not yet "up and running"? Or the validation exercise that is supposed to be taking place RIGHT NOW, Saturday the 3rd of November 2012? Why don't you give Mister Wayne a call on the telephone right now and ask him if it's underway yet or not. Personally I hope that it is, but I doubt that it is.
If it is, I'll apologise and buy you a beer (or other favorite beverage) the next time we meet. If it's not.... I'll accept your apology in advance. Let us NOT slide into the ridiculous.... of letting Mister Wayne get away with Yet Another Missed Deadline.

Now... back to the video Dansie showed, which shows an early HDPE system "running"...... I seem to recall that we have heard from the sycophants that a single Zed by itself isn't OU, but when they are combined together they attain OU performance.

How does this work in a system where only ONE of the Zeds is working properly, and the other is just kind of coughing and stuttering along? How do we attain overunity now?

Is it kind of like some older twin-engined airplanes, that can climb out fine on both engines, but if one fails or sputters, the airplane can't climb or maintain altitude and must quickly find a landing spot?

Or does _any_ degree of performance from the second Zed push the system OU, even if the first one is well below and the second one isn't running properly? What magic is this?

Let's say we took the animation, and disabled one side to the same degree as what Mark Dansie saw in the video in question. Would the ANIMATION still run, even? Or a model built from the animation?

Sure.... because it's driven from "outside".

Do you see? When the data and known facts are examined _logically_ and thought about coherently, the inconsistencies and impossibilities compound, like interest.

Wouldn't it be so much simpler and easier than all of this, if Mister Wayne simply showed the simple, three layer system that is CLEARLY OVERUNITY BY ITSELF, and demonstrated its overunity, by measuring the work output and showing that there's no work input, as he claims? Of course it would be.

IF, that is, such a system really existed.


Well, at least there will be a redecorated conference room.

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 03, 2012, 01:10:10 PM
...............................................Wouldn't it be so much simpler and easier than all of this, if Mister Wayne simply showed the simple, three layer system that is CLEARLY OVERUNITY BY ITSELF, and demonstrated its overunity, by measuring the work output and showing that there's no work input, as he claims? Of course it would be.
IF, that is, such a system really existed.
Well, at least there will be a redecorated conference room.

Dear TinselKoala,
Any further comments or answers from my side would be futile and unproductive
Lets be patient and time will provide the answers you seek.

Quote from: Red_Sunset on November 03, 2012, 01:42:17 PM
Dear TinselKoala,
Any further comments or answers from my side would be futile and unproductive
Lets be patient and time will provide the answers you seek.

Contrariwise, if you made and reported on the telephone call I suggested, that would be very productive indeed. We'd know if a "validation" was happening right now, as promised, or not. Would you not be interested in knowing that?

Will time and patience provide the answers I seek? Somehow I doubt it.

After all.... it has been quite some long time now since Mister Wayne told us about the Simple Three Layer System that is Clearly Overunity By Itself.... and no answers to the questions "how is the clear overunity determined" and "what is the output work" have been forthcoming. Is more time needed, to answer these questions? Or are there simply NO ANSWERS? Why would that be?