Quote from: mondrasek on November 04, 2012, 06:18:12 PM

Truth be told, of course I was disapointed to learn that I did not build a three layer system.  I think I said so at the time.

But I also never expected to build something that was OU.  And this is because I did not design what I built specifically for any intended performance characteristics.  I freely admit that I do not have the skills to analyze the system and/or simulate it in order to have designed something with an expected performance in mind.

Instead, I just built from what was at hand that could come close to what was in the patent app and the explanations in this forum at the time.  I knew from the start that it was too short for the diameters I was using as far as was explained by the inventor.  I did not fully understand why until I built what I have, but now I would agree that the proportions are way out of whack.  But then again, that is only my opinion and would need to be tested first if I were going to change that statement to a claim.

All in all it would have been quite an amazing coincidence if what I built performed similar to anything that Wayne has described as OU.  My build is what it is. 

But I can still test it to see what it can do and not do and what I can learn from it and share.

It is still pretty cool.  Seriously.

Now, lets do some science...

M.

Yes, lettuce dew.

In actual Science, researchers who make unusual claims will ALWAYS make their raw data available for inspection and replication. In addition, real scientists will always try their best to rule out alternative explanations for their findings, narrowing the conditions down to the point where only the claimed effect could possibly be responsible for the data seen. Mister Wayne has done neither of these things, at least not publicly.
Mister Wayne isn't a scientist, though, he's a businessman, so why should we expect science from him, I dunno.

So sure, Mondrasek, your system is pretty cool. Too bad it's not a "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself." If only we had a real spreadsheet that could accommodate things like varying the aspect ratio, the wall and interwall dimensions, and the number of layers..... or if someone would just go out and spend a few hundred dollars on some acrylic tubes and plate of the correct dimensions.... then we could do some science that might be applicable to the Real Question: does Mister Wayne have a revolutionary, world-shaking Free Energy Overunity device, or does he not?

But sorry... I am afraid I just don't swallow the idea that you weren't trying to build a Zed whose results would apply to MisterWayne's system. And I think everyone reading here knew that you were, at the time. So... the fact that they didn't tell you you were going wrong, before you had everything glued down, is kind of... unfortunate. Not for you, you're having fun.... but for them, and for MisterWayne, because it makes "them" look bad and it doesn't help to "validate" or give credibility to Mister Wayne's clayms.

Some paranoid person might even think it was deliberate, to tie you up on an irrelevant system, so you might not find out that the _relevant_ system isn't overunity atall.

@M,

Thanks, for presenting the actual facts and trying to set the record straight.

Regards, Larry

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 04, 2012, 06:34:36 PM
But sorry... I am afraid I just don't swallow the idea that you weren't trying to build a Zed whose results would apply to MisterWayne's system. And I think everyone reading here knew that you were, at the time.

Okay, let's forget the fact that I have designed and built industrial automation equipment for a couple decades now.  Feel free to patent search about me.

My constraints on this build were the diameter and height of the straight part of a two liter Pepsi bottle?!?  Do you really believe I thought that would be the magic dimensions for spectacular results?  Hell, they don't even come close to the ratios of the dimensions in the diagrams of the patent app.  They were pulled from thin air.  And the recycle bin.

Of course I would have been thrilled if the build based off of such a completely un-engineered selection of dimensions showed anything OU.  But I had no delusions that it would and still thought it would teach us all (or at least me) something.  And so I post the results.

M.

Quick update - for any one interested.
Friday night I started a test, playing around with a setup, suggested by Wayne, that put a little more emphasis on understanding the significance of varying the differentials across the layers. Specifically; making the differential greater in each layer, moving outward from center.

I've also continued to try to improve my ability to see and record the results of the tests.

And I discovered 2 things:
One: (this was exciting) During a "stroke" there appears to be more lifted than just the lift weight.
Webby has been right - first in is first out - but what comes out is at a higher pressure....
Somehow, that increase in pressure needs to be included in the efficiency calculations.

Two: (this was very troubling) My little model was running down.
If I repeated the cycle 3 or 4 times; between hard stops, with measured volumes of water, the head pressure at the end of each cycle was lower.

I would have posted all of this Friday night but the attitude here has been so rabid I took the results off line and kept quiet until I could be reasonably sure of the cause (I had an air leak - repositioning one of the top ports for the metering thing might have caused it.)

I'm pretty sure the leak is fixed now, I'll post a data set as soon as I can verify the results.
Dale 


     

Quote from: mondrasek on November 04, 2012, 07:28:59 PM

Okay, let's forget the fact that I have designed and built industrial automation equipment for a couple decades now.  Feel free to patent search about me.

OK, and we can also forget about how you were going to patent your magnet-assisted gravity wheel, and all the money you spent on that process before you finally did the _correct calculations_ that convinced you that you were in error. But what does any of that have to do with this?

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My constraints on this build were the diameter and height of the straight part of a two liter Pepsi bottle?!?  Do you really believe I thought that would be the magic dimensions for spectacular results?  Hell, they don't even come close to the ratios of the dimensions in the diagrams of the patent app.  They were pulled from thin air.  And the recycle bin.

And webby's system was made from sliced-up tennis ball packaging tubes.... yet was enough like MrWayne's system for Wayne to give him two thousand dollars just for building it.
got to go computer upgrading....

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Of course I would have been thrilled if the build based off of such a completely un-engineered selection of dimensions showed anything OU.  But I had no delusions that it would and still thought it would teach us all (or at least me) something.  And so I post the results.

M.