Quote from: wildew on November 09, 2012, 09:55:42 PM
@seamus103 - I completely agree with you there.

Larry has posted many spreadsheets, no one has really debated or discussed them.
At times there have been comments like "I don't know how to read them", or - "what"? But they've been largely ignored.

M. posted some data a couple of days ago, it was also not discussed.
I posted data that was the result of a test requested by TK, also ignored.

What the forum lately has consisted of is a RS vs. TK vs. you - with NOTHING of any substance provided by either side. Yes, please, lets get back on topic with data presented that either supports or refutes the claims.

Dale

Good idea Dale,

Let's stick to getting good data from the replications and use that to verify the sims and spreadsheets.  Then we will have something mathematically verifiable on which to base a theory of operation.  Until then I plan on ignoring other types of posts about how the ZED operates.

Dennis

Not ignored!


And Red..... you remind me of those Prophets of the End of the World. When the end doesn't actually come, they just change the date and carry on.

There will be a black hole all right...... and there's plenty of company down there. Soon, you'll even have your own hydro assist buoyancy device to keep you warm in the summer and cool in the winter.

Any news from Chickasaw, on this Friday night, the 9th of November?? Seems like a couple of kids with some chewing gum and apples could have fixed that NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTY percent overunity device by now. You know, the one that was supposed to be already operating a week or ten days ago... else how did the measurement of its efficiency come from?
Unless of course it blew its skirts with all that excess unused input net return and left a muddy hole in the ground where MrWayne's barn used to be.

And how can you say that I haven't produced anything of value. From me, you have the workings of the automatic bollard and you now understand that you are doing just the same thing with your springy precharge or setup or however you want to use the terms that Mister Wayne clearly defined some time ago. From me, you have the see-saw analogy, which, if you actually study what is happening in the animation, you will see describes exactly what is happening in the animation. The only difference is that in the animation "something" is driving the exchange of effective weight from side to side and this effective weight isn't being consumed... as if the kids aren't eating the apple.  If you cannot see the utter validity and limpidity of that analogy then I submit to you that YOU don't really understand the system, and I challenge you to explain just where the power comes from to offset the continual losses in the real mechanical system without a depletion of some stored energy or supplied power. You cannot.
From me you have the insistence on the use of common units, realistic precision in your measurements and calculations, and the importance of repeatable long series of data points under controlled conditions. From me you have pink unicorns that are invisible and you have the kids Zed and Dez. And you have my suggestion that Mond light up his system with LEDs.  That alone is a contribution of deep significance and importance. Meanwhile.... from Red we have a bunch of words and from Mister Wayne we have... confirmation that MD isn't an investor.
And what we do NOT have is any information about "validation" or who is going to see what, when.

Quote from: Red_Sunset on November 09, 2012, 10:28:02 PM
Wildew & all,
It is clear that no matter how much priming is done, the core principle of the Zed has been stared into the eye but has not been discovered to date.
Why ?  because this forum is being misled by see-saw's with boys eating apples
The whole phenomenon of the zed OU contains a certain amount of IP, that has not been understood.
Xaverius is trying to solve the key point but misses the key.  Only until that keypoint is understood will everything clarify.  Neither Tinsel nor Seamus can see the key effect.  Your data will not really help you, because your systems are too small and you can not measure precise enough because the unenhanced effect is not big enough.
Wayne has always been too truthful, even on his animation.  Can you identify all components on the Zed animation and explain why each component is there for ?  There is a pointer in the picture to the effect.
You can follow Seamus and TinselKoala, I guarantee you that you will never arrive (you are being sucked into a black hole).
The choice is yours!

On the contrary Red.  When a simulation is verified to match a physical build, then the simulation can calculate the effect to incredible precision, or mathematically scale the effects to large size. Once a simulation works for the pieces, it can be expanded to a more complex system.

It is only when the mathematical model and the physical builds match that we can say we have proof of function and full understanding.

Dennis

@Red_Sunset

Quotethe core principle of the Zed has been stared into the eye but has not been discovered to date.

OK - please, enlighten me - all of us. Another clue perhaps ?

This really isn't a challenge, just a question.
What is it then?
Dale

Quote from: wildew on November 09, 2012, 11:15:50 PM
@Red_SunsetOK - please, enlighten me - all of us. Another clue perhaps ?
This really isn't a challenge, just a question.
What is it then?  Dale

Hi Dale,
Let me post a mail from me to you, last 31-Aug as a reminder  (more clues are out there now)
Wayne set the precedent for this thread, and I am not going to change that, I am sure you can handle a challenge.

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:01 PM, michel wrote:

    Hi Dale,
    ...............................................................  When it comes to understanding what Wayne figured out over time, the best way is to summarize, describe what the device is and what it does from what you know about it thus far.  Then for each details described, ask "What, How and What. then do logical reasoning and it is amazing to what conclusions you will come. The ability to do good visualization and pondering on what is the most likely scenario of a process or behavior in a given situation brings you quite quick to the solution.

    For example, what is the reason that more layers make the device more efficient, or how would wider water/air column width's achieve a similar result ? Can you visualize pretty accurately what the risers do during a descent after stroke?  How or what determines the working pressures ?  The riser weight? What determines the length of the stroke ?  All this can be way different for different dimensioned zeds. The zed is still way open for improvement and as Wayne said, the data shown is for the test zed that is based on an old design, with the knowledge and understanding gained he can do way better now due to improvements. (more output for similar dimensions).

    If you play each item out,  step by step you come to some possibilities, refine these with the most likely scenario. Try always to simplify and setup, this clarifies.  You will find your answers

    This is actually what Wayne wants as an inventor and I think that was a part in his reason to go to a forum, the feedback of other persons views and an other angles on the workings of his device, he has been looking at this for a few years already, fresh idea's can be of great help to advance his cause. ( I don't think it worked out in that way, )

    Regards, Michel