Quote from: LarryC on November 11, 2012, 06:09:14 PM

At first I thought you were not serious with your claims, but seeing your post, apparently you are.

I made a drawing of your setup.

Your calculations on the Riser can be Archimedes or differential or PSI X SI, not more than one and only actual water levels can be used, no combinations of actual water and virtual water.

Larry

What are you talking about? Close off the bottom of that riser and tell me what the buoyant force is. Is it or is it not what I said it was?

I ran another set of numbers last night, done with the same starting parameters as the last one I posted per TK's request - with 2 changes - adding air and weight.
1. I added 50ml of air to the POD chamber, 50 to the next pocket and 100 to the outer.
2. Used the total weight of the last test as the base - and a 10Lb weight for the lift
Results attached.

A question or 2 for the number crunchers.
I'd like to analyze the steps as recorded and convert each to a "work equivalent".
That might make it easier to see what's put in VS what's returned.
IF - my math is anywhere near close... This was the method attempted -Valid : Not?

I took the median head for each 50ml step
Used a constant to try to see how much weight could be lifted using that median pressure the same distance as my total stroke.

If that's not a valid way to analyze the pressure / volume relationship of the fluid injected against the fluid returned - PLEASE - provide a proper method.

Dale


 

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 11, 2012, 06:19:34 PM
What are you talking about? Close off the bottom of that riser and tell me what the buoyant force is. Is it or is it not what I said it was?

I could do that, but it would only be the first part of your claim. Better yet. Post or PM a drawing of your setup, rough hand drawn is fine. I will do a computer drawings and a calculator based on your claims.

QuoteYour calculations on the Riser can be Archimedes or differential or PSI X SI, not more than one

Yet you add displacement lift ("Pod lift", buoyancy) plus psi x si to arrive at your total lift figure.Yet your "pod" isn't actually lifting, is it? Does it contact the underside of the riser? If it does, doesn't that remove the corresponding surface area for the "psi" to act on?

Quote from: LarryC on November 11, 2012, 06:34:40 PM

I could do that, but it would only be the first part of your claim. Better yet. Post or PM a drawing of your setup, rough hand drawn is fine. I will do a computer drawings and a calculator based on your claims.

In other words... YES, the buoyancy lift is what I said it was, with the bottom of the riser closed off.  But of course to get to your lift values, you have to do just what you forbid me to do: you add the buoyant lift of the pod, to the psi lift of the gas pressure.

Better yet..... now YOU show over what total distance your force advantage lasts.