Quote from: MileHigh on December 24, 2012, 12:48:35 PM
E2matrix:

I am going to respond to what you said with some detail just once.  Just once in the sense that this response is almost generic because your comments above are almost generic and I have seen similar comments from you many times over applied to all sorts of cases.

Every time a debate comes up you play the paranoia/conspiracy card.  It's like you are a blind cheerleader for almost any free energy technology.  You never ask technical questions and I am pretty sure that you are not a technical person.  You almost never question the motives behind free energy propositions or consider both sides of a claim.  It like you 'consume' free energy propositions without ever considering their merits or considering both views of the proposition.  And I believe you stated that you have been following the free energy scene for more than 20 years!

You live in a paranoid cloak and dagger world of your own imagination.  No matter how ridiculous and how lacking in any credibility the free energy proposition might be, you believe it and are willing to play the MIB card.  After a certain point in time it's almost comical.  You have seen countless free energy propositions outright fail, or whither on the vine, or be exposed as hoaxes, or be exposed as true cons, and yet you still apparently want to believe the vast majority of them are true and any problems may be associated with "paid disinformation agents" or the "MIB."

In this particular case of Quentron there is simply no substance to Phil and his claim.  Have you ever seen any data from him?  Any prototypes?  Have you ever read any comments from Phil where you get the sense that there is a real, tangible organization behind him?

I don't get any feeling whatsoever that there is any substance to Phil and his claim at all.  I just see endless delays.  Recently someone made a comment and he got 'hurt' and pulled his website.  This was a few weeks before he was supposed to 'launch.'  Is that what a real, serious organization is supposed to do, pull their website because of an anonymous comment on a free energy chat board?

Look at the excuse on the web site now:

I don't recall him saying about a labour issue on his last few 'excuse' postings here on OU.

You need to 'let reality in' E2matrix.  Sometimes free energy propositions are just bunk, and the MIB are not some magical angel that swoops in an 'saves the day' and explains the reason behind every failed free energy proposition.  You need to put your 'critical thinking skills' hat on and start admiring how much better you look with that hat on.

Every time you make a content-less 'MIB' posting you are impugning and denigrating the characters of the people that question the claim.  Yet you never try to debate the merits of the claim yourself.  You are trying to imply that nearly all people that question free energy claims are on the payroll of mysterious and evil government or industrial cartels.  That means that you are trying to imply that people that question free energy claims are evil themselves.  This has to stop and you need to wake up from your stupor.  Blind believing in free energy propositions and blind believing in 'the grand MIB conspiracy' and constantly impugning the characters of people that debate the issues is surely a mind-numbing stupor.

In plain English, enough of the MIB comments and comments like, "The bigger the potential of a new technology the bigger the propaganda and sabotage attempts become.  It's obvious this thread has become rife with them."

It's obvious that you are not thinking.  Start thinking and start respecting people with differing opinions than yours and stop trying to portray them as evil people on the payroll of evil organizations.  After a certain point in time it's simply ridiculous.

MileHigh

LOL - That's funny that you are so anal you have to send me a PM to make sure I see your response.   So yeah I'm a cheerleader for positive change.   I'll agree to that much.   But if you were paying attention you would see I've called out a number of things as FAKE on your other hangout OUR.   Even one brought up by the PhysicsProf recently.   You think I'm not a technical person?   That's good because that means my system works for those that aren't real sharp.   I'd prefer people not think I'm too smart or technical.  I'll probably have to delete this post because it may reveal the opposite.   Some examples:  deleted now that MileHigh has seen it. 
   We won't go into my IQ because I don't want to have to live up to that level all the time.  I'm too lazy for that and I actually prefer to keep things casual on forums.   I'd rather people thought I was just average as it saves me a lot of trouble.   But do I spend time asking technical questions?   Sometimes but I am not an expert in the field that Phil is working in but I do consider myself an expert (with training) in judging people's character.   I believe Phil is honest and knowledgeable enough to know whether he has a valid concept that can turn into a product.   The fact the he even moved to the U.S. temporarily to move forward with this speaks volumes.   
      For those familiar with your reputation I need not say more.   For those who aren't let me ask if you have ever supported any concept that would lead to overunity or free energy (meaning much more affordable energy) for the masses?   Have you ever thought any concept could lead to this?   Last question deleted as apparently MH thinks it's some sort of prejudice thing.  Not sure how he got that from my question but I don't have any intention of seriously upsetting anyone nor am I even remotely prejudiced.   I can only conclude from his reaction that he may be a minority.   I welcome all race, religions, genders, nationalities  etc. here.  Zero prejudice and I don't want to see any prejudice here.   

E2matrix:

I sent you a PM because I thought that you were going to ignore the posting and/or you may have not seen it because it is delayed.  Several times in the past I recall making a technical point to correct something you said and you did not acknowledge it.  You made posting with a mocking tone to me a while back about battery voltages climbing under load and I responded with a technical reply and you said nothing.

Good on you for calling things fake, I simply can't remember ever reading that from you.

"aren't real sharp" - so you want to take a jab at me, I can take it.  To take a jab back at you, I have seen you endorse and support completely nonsensical foolishness, which sometimes gets posted around here.  Like you have totally glazed eyes and are simply a blank.

"I do consider myself an expert (with training) in judging people's character.   I believe Phil is honest and knowledgeable enough to know whether he has a valid concept that can turn into a product."

I beg to disagree and I have already stated my contrary opinion on Phil and his proposition.  Does that make me a evil person that is on the payroll of Big Government or Big Industry?  The answer is no, and I resent it being stated so casually by you as if it were some sort of a given.  When a Joe Blow makes a little spinning pulse motor nobody is watching.  The reason I state that is because it's simply preposterous to think that people are watching the pulse motor builders ready to threaten and even assault them.  You are just falling hook, line, and sinker for an old cliche that is itself often played by people with fake free energy propositions.

I like debating the merits of some free energy propositions.  If I ever saw something that I thought was legitimate I would embrace it.  I am not going to answer that last question, it smacks of the worst of the worst that we want to avoid around here.  There are no "Colored" and "White" bathrooms and lunch counters any more in the US.  Have you noticed?  Do you want me to push you to the back of the bus under threat of violence if you refuse?  You had better do some soul searching about your last question.

Simply stop trying to insinuate that people that want to debate free energy propositions are evil and likely on the payroll of evil Big Government or evil corporations.  Show some critical thinking skills and show balance and wisdom in your judgement of character.

MileHigh

Quote from: lumen on December 26, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
Yes, posts per day could be a unit, so could words per day, so could bytes...

Except that you said "posts".  Not words or bytes.  It's right up there in the post history.  "posts" clear as day.  Let's look at the quote:

Quote from: lumen
Sure I can, how about your posts in this channel!

See...posts.   

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But then, I did not need any unit to see the result.

Actually you did.  You needed to decide on "posts".  Which you did.  See? Come back when you have a coherent thought.  I won't hold my breath.

I got a PM too!
Accusing me of having a 'mocking tone' in response to some battery voltage rising under load.......not sure what that's all about?!

Quote from: Madebymonkeys on December 26, 2012, 06:15:59 PM
I got a PM too!
Accusing me of having a 'mocking tone' in response to some battery voltage rising under load.......not sure what that's all about?!

I think the messages were for e2matrix and we were added to the recipients because we be the skeptics.

I mean true I thought e2matrix's crazy post is about as sharp as a sack of hammers but is that really so strange?   Where I come from we don't really self-identify with terms like "skeptic".  We just think believing any old shit is stupid.

But  here? I look at luten and wonder why, given his low threshold for "proof" and wonder why he (or she) doesn't convert to six different religions over the course of breakfast. Cheerleader Bruce, who heads up the "You need my permission to be critical about anything" brigade.  Do people like this really exist? or is this just some forum to troll sane folks? --- It would at least explain the UFO and alternative medicine forums attached here

I mean I get that much of the behavior can be explained as dissonance avoiding but it's pretty freaking extreme if you ask me.