Bruce:

QuoteIf he did, you would alread be banned from this thread, like MH was banned from the friction heater thread for harrassing Gabriel.

Admittedly I asked Gabriel the same question several times.  Gabriel ignored my question every time.  My belief is that the reason he ignored my question is that he simply did not have an answer, and he was not prepared to admit that he did not have an answer.  So in the end he tried to use crude deflection and pretense by saying that he was not going to "spoon feed" me.

As are reminder, here is how I asked my question the first time:

Quote...can I ask you what your test setup will consist of and how you will make your measurements?  I have no idea how much thought that you have put into this but sharing your thoughts might help.  I know from experience that there are many pitfalls that experimenters can fall into when it comes to making serious electrical and thermal measurements.  It's not necessarily easy at all, and sometimes people mistakenly believe ahead of time that it will be easy.  So sharing your test apparatus and test and measurement strategy could really help you and make for a good discussion at the same time.

Is there anything wrong with my line of questioning?  Why do you think he refused to answer?

The moral of the story is that when someone makes a proposition, and especially if it is a free energy proposition, then all people should be encouraged to ask questions from differing viewpoints and they should have a reasonable expectation to get a reply.  That is the very reason this forum exists.

And I know Bruce that you sometimes get emotionally attached to different propositions and you will actively discourage and even go so far as attempting to suppress some discussion.  You can get uncomfortable when someone asks a question.

You need to change your ways Bruce and let in the light from all angles.  It's time for you to start asking questions yourself, where sometimes they can be tough questions.  You are fully aware that many free energy promoters are bad guys that would love to steal the life savings of your grandparents if they could.

You know the old cliche when people compare OU and EF.  They say that EF is a place where you can't speak your mind and if you ask the "wrong" questions and say the "wrong" things you will get banned.  That's in contrast to OU where people can speak their minds.  We want to keep it that way and not get choked into a straightjacket of intellectual stagnation.

MileHigh

Quote from: sarkeizen on January 06, 2013, 07:42:05 PM
I just mean something different than you do.  I may be perceived by some as acerbic.  Philip seems more like someone who has a particular goal and really little in the way of qualms as to how it is achieved.  To wit: He, at least in his huffing and puffing speechifying would bring the law against Overunity in order to get what measly data they have about me. You keep acting like someone who thinks they deserve respect.  Because in the world of Bruce_TPU complex and complete personality analysis can be done through a few exchanges on the internet.  Psychologists the world over thank you for simplifying their complex tasks. 
Because wishing bad things on people is always the right thing to do.   You're a pretty bad advertisement for your religion, just sayin'Isn't calling someone a "paid schill" defamation?If you mean that Philip is a bad manager.  That has been explained as a logical consequence of believing in the Quenco technlogy and the reports of Philip.  If we are to believe your accounting this has been explained to you 59 times without you grasping it.  Not something I'd boast about personally.

Also, it's been mentioned to you that Philip agrees with the assessment. Well I built something that I doubt you will ever be able to:  A cogent argument.

Let me know when you can build one of those and you might get some respect out of me.  Until then you're just some junkyard dog yipping at someone who dares to take either your or Philip's name in vain.  Real humble for a theist.

True religion is to visit the widows and orphans in their affliction.  So, no, hoping that Philip really does sue you for two particular comments that you make would set a good precedent.  People think that they can hide behind a veil of anonymity on the internet and defame who they want.

I have not had a "problem" with ANY argument about this tech, or any other, (as I have stated at least twice before) but I have a problem with your defamation of the person of Philip as an individual.  In your world, disrespet is ok, and lying is ok, and defamation is ok.  But perhaps in the fog of your brain, (I say this because you repeat yourself, over and over and over and over and over again) you perhaps have short term memory loss.

I personally think that it is a shame that you have run off Philip, and think that you should be ashamed of yourself. (even though I know that you won't)  Unfortunately I have seen the likes of you, over the years, haunting this forum.  Everyone else has given up even dealing with you, but I think to allow you to continue to hijack this thread with your continued hijinks would be a mistake. 

Respect is earned, and you have only earned yours from the expected dynamic duo.  Congratulations on their shared accolades.

What has your "argument" contributed to this thread?  Most here would declare in a loud chorus of voices, NOTHING.  And of course this doesn't matter to you, so in the crisp concise words of Lumen,

"blah, blah, blah".

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 07, 2013, 12:05:38 PM
True religion is to visit the widows and orphans in their affliction.

Uh ever read the rest of that verse?  "and to keep oneself unstained by the world." perhaps presuming to judge things that you aren't really in a position to might come under that heading.  Your exegesis is kind of crappy as well.

QuoteSo, no, hoping that Philip really does sue you for two particular comments that you make would set a good precedent.   People think that they can hide behind a veil of anonymity on the internet and defame who they want.

Please provide your evidence for 'defamation' or an apology.  Because accusations of defamation are also defamation.

QuoteI have not had a "problem" with ANY argument about this tech, or any other, (as I have stated at least twice before)

Actually what I'm saying is that in terms of "building" something.  Which you're constantly on about.  The one useful thing with regard to this discussion is something you are apparently incapable of building.  A cogent argument.  Feel free to try that some year.

Quotebut I have a problem with your defamation of the person of Philip as an individual.

Except that I haven't defamed him.  Your defaming me apparently is okay in your world.

QuoteIn your world, disrespet is ok

In my world respect is earned anyone who hasn't earned it doesn't get it.  If you want to call that "disrespect" then that's your deal.  On the other hand you give respect away for free as long as you think someone is "building" something (but that doesn't include building logical constructs like arguments)

Quoteand lying is ok

I haven't lied.  Please provide evidence or an apology.  Since you're defaming me now.

Quoteand defamation is ok.

No, which is why I haven't done it...you on the other hand seem to think it's okay.  Don't worry you're not the first Christian hypocrite and you won't be the last.

QuoteI personally think that it is a shame that you have run off Philip

If you read Philip - reading! Bruce_TPU should try it! - he left because OU wouldn't disclose information to him and now he says he's going to attempt to bully them into it.   Which doesn't make me think of Philip as a very big man IMHO.  Prior to that Philip didn't even acknowledge me directly - except to make one spurious accusation.

Quoteand think that you should be ashamed of yourself. (even though I know that you won't)

You seem to think a lot of your opinions.  Not sure why.

QuoteUnfortunately I have seen the likes of you, over the years, haunting this forum.

Yes, your beliefs about someone else can't possibly be in error.  Very good way of thinking for a scientist.

QuoteEveryone else has given up even dealing with you

Outside of responding to your defamatory remarks, I've been posting with MBM, TK, lumen and forcefield concerning my views about what makes Philips ideas wrong.  I get that most of what I post is beyond your abilities.  That's okay but please stop pretending that you're not the cause of most of the exchanges between us.

Quotebut I think to allow you to continue to hijack this thread with your continued hijinks would be a mistake.

So Bruce_TPU who has posted nothing of merit.  Almost all of his posts can be summed up as "Hush and be patient", "You are a troll" and "Yay Philip".  Is saying that someone who is contributing to the thread (me) is hijacking it.  Perhaps you might remove that log from your eye before attempting to remove my mote... 

QuoteRespect is earned

So therefore lack of respect in your world is okay too.  Given any thought to actually posting something that was internally consistent? Just sayin'

QuoteWhat has your "argument" contributed to this thread?

Some things that you might not be able to see because of that huge tree in your eye...

I've provided some decision theory concerning expectations on Philip as well as a mathematical basis for modeling it.
I've provided sound reasons as to why a MD device can not work under information theory.
I've provided a reason why Lumen's (and probably Philips) "Oh our sort algorithm doesn't cost anything to run" is wrong based on computational complexity.
I've stated that my thinking isn't necessarily correct - something you might learn from.

QuoteMost here would declare in a loud chorus of voices, NOTHING.  And of course this doesn't matter to you

I don't know who "most" is but even if it were true.  Does popularity imply truth.  If not, why *would* the popular opinion matter to me.  Heck isn't OU a place where unpopular opinions are hosted?  Isn't it a little ironic to be harassing someone for an unpopular opinion on a board which hosts unpopular opinions?

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on January 07, 2013, 12:05:38 PM

True religion is to visit the widows and orphans in their affliction.  So, no, hoping that Philip really does sue you for two particular comments that you make would set a good precedent.  People think that they can hide behind a veil of anonymity on the internet and defame who they want.

I have not had a "problem" with ANY argument about this tech, or any other, (as I have stated at least twice before) but I have a problem with your defamation of the person of Philip as an individual.  In your world, disrespet is ok, and lying is ok, and defamation is ok.  But perhaps in the fog of your brain, (I say this because you repeat yourself, over and over and over and over and over again) you perhaps have short term memory loss.

I personally think that it is a shame that you have run off Philip, and think that you should be ashamed of yourself. (even though I know that you won't)  Unfortunately I have seen the likes of you, over the years, haunting this forum.  Everyone else has given up even dealing with you, but I think to allow you to continue to hijack this thread with your continued hijinks would be a mistake. 

Respect is earned, and you have only earned yours from the expected dynamic duo.  Congratulations on their shared accolades.

What has your "argument" contributed to this thread?  Most here would declare in a loud chorus of voices, NOTHING.  And of course this doesn't matter to you, so in the crisp concise words of Lumen,

"blah, blah, blah".

You go on about building things but given the knowledge about specific things you could prevent wasting your time. With a family, time is limited so I prefer to gain knowledge from others before embarking on 'builds' which will result in nothing!
However, lots can be learnt from building random stuff without understanding it - it's just not good engineering practice.....at least not nowadays when QM laws are well understood.

Sarkaizen has good info - listen to it, save your money and time.

Stop trolling and causing bad feeling!

Incidentally here's a link to BBBV - it's actually not an easy theorem to find a reference to as Quantum Computing, as a field isn't like physics in terms of size.  If anyone has problems with the terms I can explain them to the best of my ability.

http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/9701001v1.pdf