Make that number 4 Bill, nice one I had not read that before
Kind Regards
Mark

@markdansie number 1 and 2 falls under same category as a ordinary diode,small amounts of electricity are perpetualy delivered but the physicists will argue(rightfuly)that the power source are fluctuations in temperature/vibration etc. Its when the density of power goes up beyond a certain point that those arguments begin to become blurry.and when the power densities go way up beyond a certain point then we have to start eliminating these arguments one by one(like the eefg).an electret wont give any power because it has no source of electrons to propel along a circuit,its just pure voltage with zero amps but the karpen pile is a type of electret that has got a source of electrons to propel,the ions/reactants around the inert electrodes provide electrons to propel until electrostatic equilibrium is obtained,then when you cut the circuit they just go back to their original equilibrium.its basicly interchange of 2 different equilibriums,an chemical equilibrium and a electrical equilibrium switching bakward and 4ward.thats why the karpen system gives a capacitance as opposed to continued current.did the physicists find the source of energy for the eefg yet?

Quote from: FatBird on May 26, 2013, 04:52:13 PM
Tell me if I am wrong, but here is why I'm NOT excited over this.

The best Cold Fusion device still has to BOIL WATER TO MAKE steam.
Then the STEAM has to drive a High Speed TURBINE.
Then the Spinning Turbine Shaft has to drive a GENERATOR (with a Gear Reduction TRANSMISSION) to make Electricity.

It seems A LOT BETTER if we can find a device that makes electricity DIRECTLY, WITHOUT Boiling Water, Steam, Turbine, Transmission, and Generator.
Click on the Link below to see such a device:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHswoNpc0Tk
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Go visit the Bruce TPU threads. He has developed a keen insight and understanding of Steven Mark's TPU technology ... like one of his units pictured in your post. Bruce has laid out a fairly comprehensive set of construction details. It's worth following. His threads are progress-oriented and the participants are level-headed ... unlike what is beginning to take over and destroy all of overunity.com.

Q&A With Hanno Essen Regarding Recent E-Cat Test:
http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/05/26/1232/8502322_qa-with-hanno-essen-regarding-recent-e-cat-test/

@markdansie,ive done similar experiments to number 2.ive taken a piece of carbon and put it in contact with pyrite(a thermoelectric semiconductor) and gotten a small continuous current due to the fact that carbon is a much better absorber of ambient infrared radiation than pyrites but it was small current(impractical).im certain theres much better selection of semiconductors and substrates might do a much better job of differential infrared absorbtion and power output.electrons are like tennis balls,some will always jump up over the 'fence'when it comes to semiconductors.im now working with infrared photoelectrochemical systems that show real promise,continuous current in the hundreds microamp range(surface area dependant),let me work for you guys mark.those dollars into rands(south african currency)would be very pretty:-)