Quote from: gyulasun on May 29, 2013, 10:16:10 AM
Sorry, it is not correct.  The facing pancake surfaces are not comparable for the two cases, that is why I disagree.  See also Magluvin answer here http://www.overunity.com/13460/teslas-coil-for-electro-magnets/msg361720/#msg361720

Gyula

The coils don't have to be connected to cancel the inductance. It's enough that the current is running in the other direction between the conductors in close adjacency to one another.

Quote from: synchro1 on May 29, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
The coils don't have to be connected to cancel the inductance. It's enough that the current is running in the other direction between the conductors in close adjacency to one another.

Well, nobody wrote that the coils have to be connected to cancel the inductance. Your answer above proves again your typical topic twisting when it is proved what you wrote was not correct. Please change this behaviour, it leads to nowhere.  Thanks.

Milehigh just stated there was no comparison between the magnets! The  serial bifilar pancake projects a directional electromagnetic pulse that's focused.  This allows it to broadcast and recieve it's own power, as well as align electron spin. The current electromagnet is merely an modern improvement. All the fundamental forces are at work in those counter facing pancakes. They jolt a field into the scrap first, then produce a low level cling current. You can spark the sigle wire nail wrap all you want, you will never get the kind of impulse magnetization effect the SBC delivers.

I want to correct a mistake that I made:

QuoteAll four layers form a giant ampere-turn magnetic field generator that work together.  You can see how the metal casing of the electromagnet takes the "top" flux and channels it to the center and "points" it downwards.  The same "top" flux is also channeled to the outer ring of the casing and is also "pointed" downwards.  So Gyula's "magnetic footprint" drawing is wrong.   If the center circle of his drawing is red, then the outer ring that he has marked in blue is also actually red.  Following Gyula's convention where blue represents the opposite polarity, then what Gyula shows as white should be blue.  In summary, at the inside you have the red circle, then you have a blue ring around that, and on the outside you have a thin red ring.  That's how the electromagnet is designed.

This is poor visualization on my part and I got confused.  Gyula's original comments on the configuration of the "magnetic footprint" of the electromagnet are correct.

MileHigh

Synchro1:

QuoteMilehigh just stated there was no comparison between the magnets! The  serial bifilar pancake projects a directional electromagnetic pulse that's focused.  This allows it to broadcast and recieve it's own power, as well as align electron spin. The current electromagnet is merely an modern improvement. All the fundamental forces are at work in those counter facing pancakes. They jolt a field into the scrap first, then produce a low level cling current. You can spark the sigle wire nail wrap all you want, you will never get the kind of impulse magnetization effect the SBC delivers.

This "fantasy world" of electronics that you seem to live in is not healthy.  Where do you get these statements from?

I challenge you to post a diagram that illustrates your comment about "projecting a directional electromagnetic pulse that's focused."  Please post a diagram that is annotated with some supplementary information.  Also when you make the posting give us a few paragraphs of text that explain exactly what you mean and explain your annotations in the diagram.  Please tell us all about the electron spin.  Tell us all about the pulse and where it comes from.  Please explain to us all about the "impulse magnetization effect" that you claim is a special property of the SBC.  Please illustrate that with an annotated diagram also and explain the diagram with a few paragraphs of text.

If can you do that then we will comment on your posting.  If you can't do that then you have been caught talking fantasy nonsense.

MileHigh