Here Milehigh.. If you want to look at the math and where we went the wrong way then Eric Dollard has a good book that relates all the old math to his current understanding. There he doesn't talk about ideals. There he correctly states E and the relationship it has to everything else.


You can post analogy after analogy and get nothing accomplished, you can post math upon math and get nothing done. But correct the mistakes and you get the aha moment.


Link to lone pine writings: http://aetherforce.com/the-lone-pine-writings-is-now-free/


and a general link to catch you up on aetheric forces: http://aetherforce.com/


There is tons to catch up on and I have but scratched the surface. The only man to truly understand this all would be Dollard. So give this information a good read. It includes a new type of math to fully understand the implications of the relation of these forces of space and counter space. Space is the open form (space between matter, undisplaced Aether) and counterspace is the filled space (Matter, displaced Aether).

The only thing that differs between the two types is the density of Aether since all space including counterspace has Aether in it. The only difference is the density of the aether.

After applying what we have been seeing electronically of our own Galaxy, I am thinking we are modelling our galaxy process with this flat planar coil. I would think that from each side would come two electrical copies of the planar radiations. One energy rich and the other energy deficient. Both can have ripples running through them and where they meet in the middle is a standing wave along the surface of the two energy fields.

Tesla said he could stiffen this surface even if it was flat and spread out. In fact in his High frequency experiments he talked about making sheets of this stiffening. These sheets were homogeneous and seemed to intensify the close it got to the focal point. The intensification he attributed to the multiplication of the intensity the closer it got to the focal point. This was all done in air and with special currents. The currents were impulses, if you look at the type of transformer he used one could see how he accomplished this task. Oil filled bucking field, very high voltage coils around the bucking field electromagnets. No core was used except for a wooden dowel to form the bucking coils onto. A very special type of coil was used and it was the beginning of the bifilar work. Tesla talked about different types of activating devices and one method stuck out for me. The magnetic spark gap is this item. Using the magnetic field could and does polarize the discharges. This is used to make sure all the impulses across the gap are of one sign only.  All positive or all negative. Say one impulse is all positive but as it passes through the magnetic field it chops the impulse into a very high density of positive minute Pulses. The edge of the front and back of the packet of pulses is now enhanced in this process as well and gives the impulse packet more punch.
With The current coil under investigation it gave me an idea that he was converting the magnetic field(coils) into a more stronger electric field(increased capacitance) that focused towards the center always. A Pulse starting at the external of the plane of the coil would naturally strengthen the next pulse if it was one Whole cycle in phase difference. With leading and lagging phases being the type of standing wave one wanted to produce and have certain effects.

I think we need to think about this coil with capacitance as our focus. The energy travels easier in this mode and beneficially more power effects can be had as the results. This is just done by a conversion of one form to the other in a passive conversion process of focusing and excitation.

I also think that we can use the magnetic force as a great fulcrum in this process. The magnetic force is very powerful and we see this every day. But the real power comes in conveying further in the medium then this great powerful magnetic field could go. I think we have been approaching our science through the inverted view. We chose to ignore the electric field when it can not be ignored. Both fields must be present when thinking about this process. The magnetic being the inertia of the system. You don't want to tap the magnetic. You want the drive to use the electric as much as possible and use the magnetic in a style that only thinks about it's inertia and not it's ability to have strong physical attractions. Use the electrical side for transmission and the losses drop to near zero. Transform or condense the electrical and it becomes magnetic again to be used as normal. In the process that conversion can be designed to self excite or generate. Yes you need a flow to be established before this process will work but with the advent of crystal batteries one could simply start the process with the value of the battery that displaced the Aether and draw a current as per experiment. Then amplify this current through the bifilar coils and transmit the converted e-field to a receiver for little loss then transform it into real current again by the very same process but in reverse. With the receiver extracting the impulses into mass current.

There might even be a way to further this process by compressing the receiver bifilar coil through magnetic reflectors. This is pure speculation but it does make sense in a way. With spacing be a real way of tuning the process on the fly. With our current technology it isn't hard to feed back a small portion of the reflectors and have a computer run servo system to adjust the distance of both reflectors. It could adjust faster then human control. We have the capability to do these things but we need to start doing these experiments. Otherwise we might as well pack it in. The way electronics and electronic theory is going we will never get anywhere from the direct application of the magnetic field. Yes it does have to be used but if we find ways to negate it's influence then it can become powerful.

Like in my example of the toroid core transformer. The magnetic field is bound but still used to keep the inertia in the system in that binding. This allows the real field that induction is based off of can increase the efficiency of the system.<-This was just an example.

Now there are two types of impulses. Oscillations and polarized. Oscillations go one polarity then the opposite polarity. They oscillate back and forth. Then there are the polarized packets. These only go in one direction. Both types are seen in the exciter one wire experiments. The avramenko plug is a good method to extract non polarized one wire longitudinal energy. But it is only a half wave rectification and actually only see's a DC like action. When fed into a coil it can be converted into an AC wave through the inertia of the coils magnetic field. This can double the energy via reflections into the natural negative potentials response to disturbances of the magnetic field.

All of this process can be looped by phase relationship that must be kept in phase relationship to net anything out of it. The system must be self tuned and resonance is a neat tool for this. A PLL circuit will naturally have to be built to keep the phase relationship in line. But any change must be temporarily paid for then it will come back on the next phase and be augmented as needed. So a battery will need to be used and a filtered battery would be advantageous to this design. The battery should have an external parallel capacitor to help facilitate this process<- More experiments need to be done in this area.

Maybe my ideas on integrating the battery in the bifilar design might prove fruitful in this respect but only experiments will prove this concept. Or even shift the capabilities of such a system into a more safe type of operation by the use of oil filled capacitors and reflective shielded cables with no real ground connection. All of this stuff was tested and reported on by Tesla. He did the early discovery work on how to use this kind of energy to the highest of efficiency. Are we gonna look into these devices and test them for ourselves or are we gonna listen to the people who could or would not replicate this technology.

Tesla believed that the future was his because he found out the real reason energy got conveyed to extreme distances with very little loss. And that this energy can be transformed and used like any other normal system does today. We did not investigate this area because we were afraid of the implications of those investigations. Is this a valid reason for not doing the experiments or even trying to use those concepts? Should we be afraid of the ones who extort our energy from us and give nothing back but the pollution they have made in this process.

In the ideal world they postulate that a stream of income is the only important thing. That this stream must be only in one direction. Theirs.

Quote from: MileHigh on July 20, 2013, 05:08:23 AM
"The patent talks of the DC resistance, the goal is to pass currents with no other significant opposition than the DC resistance. Lets see you do that with a flywheel !"

I can do it with my eyes closed.

So you have a horizontal flywheel on a vertical shaft and the shaft is affixed to to a nice solid marble table.  Let's say the flywheel is made of granite and roughly the dimensions of a small tire, say 15 inches in diameter.

So you can spin the flywheel and watch it integrate your finger pushes.

Now, you take something that looks like a big watch spring and you mount it under the flywheel and connect one end of the spring to the table and the other end of the spring to the bottom of the flywheel.

Well, lo and behold, you have something that looks like a big watch spring movement.  Let's say that it resonates at about one cycle per second.

Sitting at the table with your beers and your spring + flywheel, you start make it oscillate just with a few fingers.  Slowly the amplitude of the resonance increases, and since the bearings are so good, the flywheel will happily resonate for five minutes or more before it stops.  (We know in the ideal case it will never actually stop.)

So, the boys have their beers and fiddle with the flywheel with their fingers.  Then Farmhand puts his finger on the oscillating flywheel and says, "Look Ma, just one finger!"   Farmhand doesn't do any real work with his finger, it just follows the oscillating flywheel at the resonant frequency.  With really good bearings and a really good spring with almost no hysteresis, he will barely have to expend any energy at all.  He could keep the flywheel oscillating all day just with his pinky if he wanted to.

What was that question?

"The patent talks of the DC resistance, the goal is to pass currents with no other significant opposition than the DC resistance. Lets see you do that with a flywheel !"

Note the instantaneous angular velocity of the flywheel corresponds to the current.

Meanwhile, Magluvin is now stymied about his "get out of jail free" card because he starts his experiment staring at a non-moving flywheel-spring combination.  The flywheel is not just going to magically start oscillating so that he can get his "free ride" to get his "instant current flow."  You have to put ENERGY into the flywheel-spring combination to get it to start resonating.  Note, in Magluvin's example he wants to get the flywheel to start turning without a spring.  He doesn't want the flywheel to resonate.  But in either case, spring or no spring, you start off with a stone cold dead flywheel that is not moving.  The only way to get it to start spinning or start resonating is to push on it and expend energy.  Intuitively, everybody knows that the flywheel is going resist any sudden movement.

So Magluvin just wants to get the flywheel instantly spinning - ain't gunna happen.  He is making the mistake of equating getting the flywheel spinning with no spring, to the case of the flywheel resonating with a spring where you have already put the energy into the system before the "start" of the experiment.

Note the spring only "appears out of nowhere" when you push the flywheel back and forth at a very high frequency (the self-resonance effects of the coil).  So we are talking apples and oranges like I have already stated.

MileHigh

Your analogy just got me thinking.  Tesla talked about the clockworks of the Universe.   Some other people talk about the fabric of space being made of little tiny flywheels working against little tiny springs at a tremendously high frequency of repetition.  These little wound spring flywheel combinations are everywhere all the time and something is winding the spring up for us.  To me what they are saying is that there could be a whole bunch of frequencies coming from everywhere  whose wavelength is miniscule but whose intensity is astronomical.  This causes us to work with cyrstals as observers.  This is where atoms have lost their thermal oscillations and have formed interatomic distances that MAY i repeat May be effective ultra-gamma light detectors.   I think Moray identified this frequency-redshifted down to rf and drove loads at the relatively huge wavelengths of kilohertz.  This is what our solar collectors do they are just working the wrong bands imho.  If you look at the first crystal radio sets they had crystals attached to the antennae.  Germainium or selenium or something.   Some idiots say that this crystal rectifies the signal from the antennae.   How can a crystal rectify something.   You have to have back to back crystals with different dopants diffusion layers etc. to rectify something.  People are amazed that the crystal radio set runs on low frequency light.   Now if the radio stations would start transmitting into the ground where they should be we could get rid of the stupid cellphone antennaes and the combustion engine for that matter.   
    Everybody is amazed that Tesla ran around in a car with a high frequency motor in it.    At that time RCA was developing transatlantic communications using his buried antennae system.   He was running around on their dime.  I would be too considering the shit they pulled on him.    They were transmitting about 50kw or so.  Plenty enough to drive a car around on.
   What we have in a microwave antennae is basically you heat up a piece of steel until it glows in the band you want.   You cause rf currents to stand on the steel.  Then when it starts glowing a little light gets spread around.   Ridiculous.

Ok MileHigh, That was easy, congrats, mechanical resonance, woopee. Maybe I was leading you. No that couldn't be true I couldn't plan anything. 

That plays to what I am getting at. The patent is correct and currents can be passed with practically nothing more than the DC resistance.

You can do it with a flywheel and you can do it with the coil for electro-magnets and you can do it with any coil.

My main point is that the patent is correct and valid and you don't like it. 

A flywheel being like a coil may have something to do with things but I don't care, I only care that the patent is valid and the claims are correct.

Anything for a jolly. hehehe

What would you like to play next ?

What about the applied voltage affecting the resonant frequency ? Does it happen or not. Give it to me straight I can take it.

Mags, it won't work unless the coil is excited at the correct frequency to cancel the reactance or whatever they call it, some motors change frequency a lot. 

Cheers

P.S. Oh and MileHigh, I'll let you off on the "seeing it" part, since you only spoke of it, it wasn't really a valid reply, but I'm not pickky and I'm just here for fun.  Next ride !

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MileHigh, I think the thing you don't get is that the same thing can happen with any coil, as is stated in the patent. However most of us are concerned with the difference in the conditions that cause the effects in a normal coil as compared to a coil for electro-magnets. There are differences and the patent outlines them.

Say we take a coil with turns spaced 10 mm by insulation a single layer spiral coil for example. If 1 volt is used the resonant frequency will be different than if 1000 volts was used.
This is simply because the 1 volt won't secure as much self capacitance across the 10 mm space between windings. Makes sense to me.

How would considering an ideal inductor make any difference to the principal of the effect ?

Remember this is all about exciting the coil at frequency No continuous DC applied here. That is not what the patent is about.

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Hi Arto,

Thanks for showing the workout of the parameters of a coil (they are correct for me) and hopefully other members in this thread also noticed it but they are too busy with some other 'things', albeit those things are also coil related in a way... 

Greetings,  Gyula

Quote from: Artoj on July 19, 2013, 04:08:57 AM
Hi All, while I was reading this thread, I am also working on my basic coil designs, so I decided to show the readers how easy it is to work out some of the simple coil parameters required before winding. I hope this helps those who need to wind a coil suitable for their experiments. Regards Arto.