Conrad:

I note that your new pick-up coil test showed no difference between the two pancake coils.  These are the expected results so all is good.

For the the test to measure the magnetic fields generated by the two types of pancake coils, I have a simple, easy, and definitive test to propose to you.  This test can naturally be done for the solenoid coils also.

Before we even start the test, logic is telling us that the two types of coils that you built (monofilar and bifilar) will produce approximately the same strength and pattern of magnetic field.

Before I start the discussion of the test, here is another important issue:

QuoteBoth coils did not produce a measurable magnetic field at 1 Watt or 10 Watt

Although in theory there is a measure of logic in what you are saying because the power dissipated in the coil is related to the current passing through coil, it is an incorrect statement.

When you look at the magnetic field generated by a coil, the magnetic field produced and the power dissipated in the coil itself are two measurements that in the strict sense have nothing to do with each other.  The power dissipated in the coil is proportional to the electrical resistance of the coil.  The resistance of the coil has nothing to do with the ability of the coil to generate a magnetic field.  You must decouple these two concepts in your mind, they are unrelated.  The ability of the coil to generate a magnetic field is determined by the number of turns and the geometry of the coil and the amount of current flowing through the coil.   You can have two coils that are physically identical except one will have a resistance of one ohm and the other will have a resistance of five ohms.  If you put one ampere of current through coil A and one ampere of current through coil B the two coils will generate identical magnetic fields.  However, one coil will dissipate one watt and the other coil will dissipate five watts.

I hope that all understand this.  In the next posting I will discuss the simple test.

MileHigh

@Conradelektro,

Here's how to do the test: Place the coil on an iron plate, place the iron plate on a pile of iron filings, then pulse the pancake coil. Then pick up the plate, filings and coil and put them on a scale. Then repeat the experiment with the monofilar and a different iron plate. This pancake coil is an "Impulse magnetizer" coil. Don't listen to Milehigh, he's just an imposter.          

Quote from: MileHigh on January 12, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
Hi Conrad,

I looked at your new clip.  There is one cautionary note I want to mention.  The axis of your exciter coil and the axis of your main coil are at 90 degrees to each other.  We know that with this coil-to-coil geometry you are minimizing the interaction between the two coils because the magnetic lines of force from one coil will not interact with wire turns of the other coil.  Of course the reality is that there will still be a weak interaction, and this weak interaction is still enough to excite the coil under test to observe the resonance frequency.  I don't want to prejudge you, you may have done this intentionally.  If you did not do this intentionally then note that you always have to try to visualize how the magnetic field from one coil interacts with the magnetic field from another coil when you are planning to do a test or build something.  Geometry is of prime importance and it can never be overlooked when you work with coils that are magnetically coupled to each other.

MileHigh

@MileHigh: Very good point, I overlooked this issue completely. Thank you for taking the time to look at the video.

The reason why I wound the "two turns exciter" coil like that over the pan cake coil was, because it was the most practical and fast way to do it. Doing it in parallel would have needed some tape or other "fixtures".

I will glue little plastic posts on the back side of the pan cake coils so that I can wind two or three turns in parallel with the pan cake coil. I am sure it will work much better.

I am here to learn, please keep up the corrections, it is the only way forward for me.

Greetings, Conrad

Quote from: MileHigh on January 12, 2014, 04:11:46 PM

When you look at the magnetic field generated by a coil, the magnetic field produced and the power dissipated in the coil itself are two measurements that in the strict sense have nothing to do with each other.  The power dissipated in the coil is proportional to the electrical resistance of the coil.  The resistance of the coil has nothing to do with the ability of the coil to generate a magnetic field.  You must decouple these two concepts in your mind, they are unrelated.  The ability of the coil to generate a magnetic field is determined by the number of turns and the geometry of the coil and the amount of current flowing through the coil.   You can have two coils that are physically identical except one will have a resistance of one ohm and the other will have a resistance of five ohms.  If you put one ampere of current through coil A and one ampere of current through coil B the two coils will generate identical magnetic fields.  However, one coil will dissipate one watt and the other coil will dissipate five watts.

I hope that all understand this.  In the next posting I will discuss the simple test.

MileHigh

@MileHigh: thank you for the explanation.

I want to state a simple example just to check that I really understood this:

- We use DC current.

- Lets say, I build two identical coils (dimensions, wire diameter, number of turns and core are the same).

- But the wire of one coil has a slightly higher resistance. So after the coils are wound, I measure the DC resistance and see that one coil has 60 Ohm and the other 80 Ohm DC resistance (just hypothetically, let's say the copper used for one wire had more impurities).

- So I put 60 Volt over one coil (the one with 60 Ohm DC resistance) and 80 Volt over the other coil (the one with 80 Ohm DC resistance).

- Through both coils 1 Ampere will flow (U = R*I , 80 = 80 *1, 60 = 60 * 1) , therefore the two coils will produce the same magnetic field.

Greetings, Conrad

Synchro1:

QuoteDon't listen to Milehigh, he's just an imposter.

This is getting really tiring, so here is my breakdown on you:

1.  You are a fully-grown rational man and you are just playing the ass like some immature 14-year-old.  You get a charge (no pun intended) out of being disruptive and being a clown.  The "MIB backdrop" is just the framework that you use to keep up your shtick.  Why you as a fifty-something-year-old still do this is something I can't explain.

- alternatively -

2.  You have psychological problems.  You may be obsessive-compulsive or you may have some diagnosed psychological disorder.  You may have some form of borderline personality disorder.  So in layman's terms you are slightly nuts.

- alternatively -

3. Some people around here might actually believe that you are a plant from the National Security Agency or from the energy cartels.  Your mission here is to discredit all research into free energy by intentionally acting like an irrational and annoying buffoon that has almost no understanding of energy and electronics and magnetics.  You are here by design so that your nut-case behaviour and your murky, incoherent, and amateurish video clips will negatively reflect on all other researchers on this forum, and by extension on all of the other forums.

- beyond that -

4.  You clearly have almost no understanding of energy, electronics, and magnetics and you clearly have shown no desire to learn and improve yourself.  You are satisfied with your kindergarten-level of (mis)understanding and you have no mastery of the concepts and proper units to use when you discuss these things but that doesn't bother you at all.  You are basically akin to a Rosemary Ainslie when it comes to this type of research and experimentation and I don't get any sense that that's going going to change over time.  You can make a few coherent statements from time to time but they are the exception not the norm.

That's the reality as I see it and you are clearly doing nothing more then disrupting this forum and you seem to think that I am a good target for your ongoing inanity.

It's not a happy picture.  Perhaps you should just crack open a beer and watch the game on TV instead?

MileHigh