@Sark

QuoteDidn't you say that the risks of vaccination weren't worth the benefits?  Then
retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion"?

I'm not sure I understand, when I say something then obviously that is my opinion isn't it?. Im' not sure how one could retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion" when all we have are opinions... it makes no sense.
Now back to my last question, which part of the statement below do you not agree with again?.

QuotePeople who come into contact with any strain of influenza this year will have
only about a 50-50 chance of being protected by the flu shot.

AC

Quote from: allcanadian on January 02, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
I'm not sure I understand, when I say something then obviously that is my opinion isn't it?. Im' not sure how one could retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion"

Yawn.  Like talking to a 4th grader. Sure what you say is often your opinion however it's rarely purely your opinion.  When someone says "the risks outweigh the benefits" they are referencing something that is not purely a matter of opinion.   Hence you can, in fact retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion".

You also implied that you (and others) could determine someones IQ by watching them getting vaccinated.

"People who come into contact with any strain of influenza this year will have only about a 50-50 chance of being protected by the flu shot."

Well...

a) That isn't what you said originally and...
b) it's what I'd call "poorly phrased to the point of being useless".  "Any strain" - you mean any extant strain?  That's not exactly a useful metric since there are at least eleven serotypes and who knows how many extant strains.  Even if you were to assume you meant "prevalent strains" to determine what that means requires subtyping and less than a third of all virology is subtyped during flu season.  Not to mention we aren't even halfway through flu season.  So even here the statement is deceptive at best.  Now assuming I've been hired to do your homework for you and attempt to come up with a different statement which might be accurate.  One could see that the majority of typing that has been done is H3 and there have been concerned that there isn't a good match between what's in the current vaccine (A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)pdm09,A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2), B/Massachusetts/2/2012) and a H3N2 strain which has been circulating.  Given that vaccine effectiveness varies between 60% and 80% for Influenza A anyway.  50% effectiveness isn't a bad estimate.  However that's just me trying to find an argument that fits your numbers.

Quote from: allcanadian on January 02, 2015, 11:21:31 AM
@SarkUhm perhaps you could enlighten me then because I would love to hear your spin on this statement. Now what do you think this statement means?.
AC

Let's suppose that this year's vaccine prevents flu in exactly 50%of patients who receive the vaccination.  Please explain what additional information, if any, that you would evaluate before making a recommendation for or against a given segment of the population getting the vaccination or skipping it.

Quote from: Dog-One
Actually SeaMonkey, I'd prefer you refrain from saying any more than you already have.  There is a natural justice in all this.  Those that prefer to argue with you are far more inclined to blindly follow the mandates of the authorities.  To be quite honest, that suits me fine, let'm go.

DogOne,
I'm truly appreciative of your sage advice.
Being eternally hopeful I'm too often inclined
to expend effort where it would be best to just
let things roll along on their own.

Those who've not been inside the "Authoritarian
Beast' simply cannot appreciate that it frequently
resorts to lies, deceptions and other unethical
activities as it works to implement the AGENDA.

In due time all will be awakened whether they wish
it or not...

Quote from: SeaMonkey on January 02, 2015, 03:13:42 PM
I'm too often inclined to expend effort

There really isn't much evidence to suggest you do this.  So don't worry.