Quote from: a.king21 on January 12, 2015, 06:34:54 PM
Clarence:  I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.


I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.

Clarence:

Hello a.king21,

Yes I know my rural residential mains system is not SWER. Also working with grounded systems
on this 64 acre cattle farm I manage for my son and daughter in law speaking with respect to fence
hot wire systems which will power up to 50 miles of fence hot wire - their explicit systems TELL YOU
not to ground ANY hotwire system CLOSER THAN 20 ft to ANY MAINS ground rod as it would be
possible to pickup the mains voltage with its higher amperage and add to the 10,000v @ 0.020amp
fence charger circuit and KILL the live stock that came in touch with the fence hot wire! having that
knowledge before hand I knew that I had to keep my Inverter SWER System as FAR as possible from
my residential mains ground rod! I did locate my inverter SWER system 45 ft away from my mains ground!
so I feel that I am not picking up relatively anything from my mains system! there's that word again ---RELATIVELY !
as I said before there are MANY entities that are involved in the earth as a ground! Lightning-Commercial
power Utility Companies- Solar systems- fence hot wire systems (lots in this part of the country)-ETC.
I believe my inverter SWER Ground Grid System is as much a separate system unto it self as possible!
I intend to retest with the 250 watt heat lamp as soon as I have my ground system updated. I am down until then.
I intend to run all my tests for an hours length of time for consistency as you say.
Thanks again a.king21. I do appreciate your encouragement and posts!

Cheers,LOL

Clarence 

Clarence:

Hello a.king21 & all,

I received my new 6AWG wire and installed in the input ground rod leg and it did not make any difference
in the voltage available to the system with no load at idle. still only 90 volts before system looped. however
when I looped the system as batt-inverter-toroids-power supply-back to batt  the batt voltage went
from 12.4 to 12.1 volts and the load system voltage to the power supply dropped from 90 volts to 77.1 volts
when the 250 watt light was was plugged in. the batt voltage went down to 12 volt also. after 10 minutes into the run
withe the 250 watt light fully lit the batt voltage droped to 11.9 volt and the voltage supply for the power supply dropped
under 77.1 volts and the power supply shutdown by itself!

I immediately pulled the bulb and the power supply came back on with the batt voltage at 11.9 volt and
I let the looped system run the rest of the hour period to see if it would at least maintain itself - and it did - but unloaded.
the batt voltage remained at  11.9 volts.

I asked my self what to hell was different this time from the last time I tested and the 250 light ran at 12.4 volts
with the system looped. the only thing I keep coming up with is the fact that it has rained a lot here for the last two weeks
and this last Monday they put up a oil rig just a little over a quarter of a mile from my house and have been drilling!
A drill casing and drill pipe are one gigantic ground rod and the drill stem actually becomes radioactive in the process.
all of that would definitely play hell with my three little ground rods.

All of this experience has SHOWN me that this basic build as I have it DOES work! the FACT that it DOES maintain itself unloaded
is its own evidence! the fact that it maintains itself at a STEADY batt voltage shows that it is harnessing some extra energy from the GROUND!
Though at the present time the amount harnessed is SMALL ---so is my GROUND GRID SYSTEM!!!!! and that has made itself clear to me.

the Grid system that B&L recommended was a 40 rod 30 meter by 50 meter lay out! not my puny little 3 rod attempt. but it has been a
learning event and I know which way to go! I need a larger Inverter (2000/4000surge) - I need a larger AmpHour batt 12volt (93AH) -
and I need to have a better and more productive GROUND GRID SYSTEM.
And isn't that what this system is supposed to be about-----ENERGY FROM THE GROUND!

Thanks to all members for your attention and kindness!!!!

Onward,  Clarence!

BTW: when I have achieved a better working GROUND GRID SYSTEM I WILL post to you all those results! Thanks Again!

Hello Clarence

If you have a low output voltage tries to increase one wound
a secondary coil of the first transformer maybe too but you
have a reference ..

Leo48

Clarence:

Hello leo48,

I don't want to change any of the balance in my two toroids with their two windings on each of their secondaries.
prior to putting ANY load on the circuit to the power supply which IS a load the circuit to the power supply
shows 116.2 volts which is exactly the same as the inverter is putting out. its when you attach a Load of any type that the
circuit having its neutral leg supplied by the return from the ground grid that the voltage drops to 90 volts (about +-).
that's an indication to me that the Ground Grid System with just the three ground rods just doesn't have enough bang for the buck!

But while thinking it over- the return ground wire which is wrapped around the looped secondary is just looped 
once as shown in all theirpatent info drawings-I might just loop it twice or three times just for the hell of it and see
if it makes any difference. that would be easy to do and undo it it doesn't make any improvement. Ill try!

Cheers,

Clarence

Hello Clarence


I've heard that ground may be replaced by car battery. It may be interesting to check if you have old sulfated batteries. Just be careful, Edwin Gray used deep cycle marine battery and he mentiond they often exploded.