Quote from: ltseung888 on January 20, 2015, 01:19:08 AM

Dear noonespecial,

You have done much great work on the gravity wheel devices.  Your help will greatly add to the knowledge and the implementation.  Some questions:

1.  Have you determined that one or more of your devices produce more Output Energy than Input?  Or are there strong grounds to believe so?

None that have demonstrated so-called 'over-unity'. I have however determined that I can achieve 'over-efficiency'.

Quote2.  Have you ever considered "Lead-out" energy as an explanation?  Have you checked on the mathematics of the horizontally pulled pendulum?

I admit that I haven't looked at the math presented but will do so.

Quote3.  Have you tried to put an Unbalanced Wheel on the same axle of a "normal motor" and check the increase in torque?  If so, have you fed that to the Input of another more powerful "normal motor/generator"?

No I haven't but Prof. Kanarev's modification of Linevitch's device has demonstrated this successfully.

One thing you should keep in mind which Prof. Kanarev points out is that you cannot achieve over-efficiency without modulating the transmission of energy from prime mover to output generation. He used electronically controlled clutches to achieve some impressive results.

Best regards,
Charlie

Quote from: noonespecial on January 20, 2015, 05:41:03 PM
None that have demonstrated so-called 'over-unity'. I have however determined that I can achieve 'over-efficiency'.

I admit that I haven't looked at the math presented but will do so.

No I haven't but Prof. Kanarev's modification of Linevitch's device has demonstrated this successfully.

One thing you should keep in mind which Prof. Kanarev points out is that you cannot achieve over-efficiency without modulating the transmission of energy from prime mover to output generation. He used electronically controlled clutches to achieve some impressive results.

Best regards,
Charlie

Dear Charlie,

Thank you for your speedy response.  The Tong Wheel already got funding and the Ting Wheel is likely to get funding in Hong Kong also.  Their key points are:

1.  Both demonstrated that the Output Power is greater than Input Power.
2.  Both used Unbalanced Wheel.
3.  The energy required to rotate an Unbalanced Wheel is approximately the same as rotating a Balanced Wheel.  However, the Unbalanced Wheel can bring-in large amounts of gravitational energy.
4.  In the Ting Wheel, the large amount of gravitational energy is used to drive another commercially available generator B via gear/belt.
5.  The electricity from the generator B is sufficient to recharge the 12V battery, drive a fan, a refrigerator and some light bulbs.
6.  The 12V battery was used to drive a pulse wheel.  The exact construction of the Pulse wheel is the commercial secret.  It is likely that electromagnetic energy is brought-in inside this wheel...
7.  The Tong Wheel is similar except that the Unbalanced Wheel effect is achieved in the Pulse Wheel.  Both hope to generate 5KW for the average home.

It appears that the Unbalanced Wheel is the key.  It does not take much energy to rotate it.  However, it can bring-in significant amount of gravitational energy.  I shall attempt to do the mahematics to determine how much can be brought-in per revolution later...

Another hidden trump is the "Coil-magnet" lead-out energy entity.  That may also be the secret of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.

There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy in a Lead-out Energy Device...

Morality Point:

Power of the Unbalanced Wheel???

This PDF p. 7 has a great drawing for testing.
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg420469/#msg420469
chan wheel.pdf msg 2268 pdf - great chart with measurement formulas but
  the distance lifted must be considered for work in but the wheel
  weight only has to be lifted from about 10 to noon. best rotate wheel
  on the right  clockwise..... cause it has a greater force.

so how far does .1 oz have to be lifted? abt 1/4 the wheel diameter about 10 oclock
to noon because a pendulum will drop and continue on its own till about 10 oclock.

so I dropped  .1 oz  from 1 oclock on a 10 inch dia wheel lifting
.2 oz weight about 3+ inches. so that means that .1 oz must be rotated
and "work expended lifted" from 10 to noon which is 1/4 the 10 inch diameter
ie. 2.5 inches so we have .5 inches of extra work. ie 120% OU.

But as I did  - do we have to take out the .1 dropped weight from the
.2 lifted weight because they balance out on the arm?
Or can we leave that in and get even more OU?
If we leave that in we get .25 oz inches of work in and .6 oz inches of work out.
which is 240% OU.

Folks this is a very easy test to do. I used the plywood from clementine boxes
to make a wheel and the stand for this test in less than 1 hour.

Norman

I don't really follow you, Norman. I'll have another look later.

In the meanwhile, could we not arrange a ratchet so that when the weight is raised, it does not fall again.

We would need to take into account that this will alter the geometry of the system, of course.

Quote from: Paul-R on January 21, 2015, 12:39:09 PM
I don't really follow you, Norman. I'll have another look later.

In the meanwhile, could we not arrange a ratchet so that when the weight is raised, it does not fall again.

We would need to take into account that this will alter the geometry of the system, of course.

You can use "one-way" bearings that are readily obtained from your local hobby shop that sells RC helicopter parts, with matching precision shaft inserts. This will not change the geometry of the system.
http://www.aligntrexstore.com/One-Way-Bearing-New-HS1229-for-T-Rex-450_p_76.html
http://www.helipal.com/hz026-one-way-bearing-shaft.html
Experimenters doing these tests should review some basic engineering dynamics first, so that they do the calculations _correctly_.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/torq2.html